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		DS 
		So are you still quite hurt by some of the things you read? 
		
		KM 
		Well a lot of the rubbish I don’t read, to be honest.  Because, as Gerry 
		said, you have to question the motives of people like that. People who 
		want to insist on something without evidence. People who want to bring, 
		you know, more pain and suffering to a family who are already 
		vulnerable, who are already suffering. You really have to question those 
		people and I don’t value their opinion because, you know, I wouldn’t 
		behave like that so, you know, you can’t be, you know, detracted, 
		distracted from what is important which is Madeleine by people like 
		that. The majority of people are good people. They’re the quiet majority 
		and I strongly believe they are the ones who want to find Madeleine. 
		
		DS 
		And you are appealing for more funds. What happened to the money that 
		you had previously? There’s around, I understand, £350,000 left. What 
		happened to the previous money that was donated? 
		
		GM 
		OK. I think the first thing to say is that the priority today is very 
		much about asking the public to help us with the petition to get the 
		government to do more.  We have been fortunate, although its not helped 
		us get where we want, by having a fund. And the fund was set up in 
		response to people offering money and it was set up properly and the 
		fund is very accountable and it has independent auditors and we have a 
		fund administrator who’s got lots of experience. The vast amount of. The 
		vast majority of the money in the fund has been spent directly on search 
		fees. Its obviously supported other things, awareness campaigns, we have 
		a part-time co-ordinator now. We have media liaison to deal with things 
		like this here and in Portugal in trying to get our messages across, but 
		the most of the money, the vast majority of it has been spent… 
		
		KM 
		we’ve had to fund an investigation for two years now which as you can 
		imagine with several more than that personnel, it costs money… 
		
		GM 
		Staff, expenses, interviewing.  We run a 24hr help line which is 
		available. We run a web site. That costs money, updating it. 
		Communications. You know, all of these things do add up and without 
		having the fund there wouldn’t be a meaningful search today. 
		
		DS 
		You’ve also spent money on your own investigators as you’ve said. There 
		have been reports that some of these detectives have taken money but 
		then not delivered. They are dodgy detectives if you like. How can you 
		reassure people that money won’t be spent on people like that in the 
		future. 
		
		GM  Well we’ve very much had for the last two and a bit years, we’ve had 
		Dave Edgar who is a very experienced detective who was near retirement. 
		He’s been working with us. He’s very much accountable for the spend. He 
		feels he can justify every penny. But at the same time I hope the public 
		realise as well as directors of the fund in particular when we were 
		arguido and there was no search going on that it was incumbent upon us 
		to continue a search in very, very difficult circumstances. So we have 
		made decisions along the way which have always, we felt, been in the 
		best interest of the search to find Madeleine and we are very 
		accountable. All the expenses are there err, receipts and we’ve got 
		quite a tight-knit team working on this but we need them. Without it 
		there would be no-one there to go and interview people and follow up 
		leads. 
		
		DS 
		What about the, some people might say, the judgement of the trustees is 
		sometimes questionable because you have had people like Halligen who is 
		now facing extradition? 
		
		GM 
		Well, you know, we are doing the best in very, very difficult 
		circumstances. I think that’s key. We always take advice, due diligence 
		is done, references are sought and, you know, the fund is accountable 
		and  as directors we are responsible for making those decisions. 
		
		DS 
		There are also reports that you have fallen out with some of the 
		trustees, with your brother and your boss who have resigned… 
		
		GM 
		That’s nonsense. That’s absolute nonsense. Why do you say we have fallen 
		out? I mean the fund has changed over three years, three and a half 
		years. Its very different, ermm, initially we weren’t on the board 
		because we were based in Portugal… 
		
		KM 
		Nobody thought, you know, three and a half years ago that we would be in 
		this situation today. Its a big commitment, you know, and things have 
		changed. We’ve got different phases in the last three and a half years 
		so inevitably there’s going to be changes. 
		
		DS 
		So its not that you’ve had differences over the way the money was spent 
		or…? 
		
		GM 
		No, not at all. 
		
		KM 
		Absolutely not. 
		
		GM  In fact any of the changes we have made recently are to make the 
		fund more efficient and more responsive. Kate and I always feel, you 
		know, there’s still an urgency. It doesn’t get easier and we don’t need 
		a large board as such. We are trying to run the fund like a small 
		business in many ways so that its focused and the directors by and large 
		are hands on and responsible for certain areas. Kate and I are integral 
		to all the parts of it. We’ve got legal advice. We’ve got specialist 
		media liaison etc. We’ve got a retired accountant, and, you know we’ve 
		got Kate’s uncle who is there and is a good governance sort of person. 
		So all of these are taken on board and we’ve got a very experienced fund 
		administrator as well. 
		
		KM 
		Have you talked about the petition? 
		
		DS 
		Yeah, I was just going to ask you about that. So, I mean, you have 
		mentioned the petition already. Just how many signatures are you hoping 
		to collect? What are you asking people to sign for? What is the point of 
		the petition? 
		
		GM 
		Well the whole point is to call on the governments, both the UK and the 
		Portuguese government to do more in the search for Madeleine and the 
		first thing we feel that’s fundamental is that they undertake a complete 
		review of the case preferably it should be independent and we want 
		transparency as well and we are asking the public to help us in that 
		regard. 
		
		DS 
		In terms of, you only have £350,000 left now, how can you, how long do 
		you worry that you can keep going (if you dont get donations????)? 
		
		GM 
		Well we are always as directors of the fund, we are always looking at 
		that because one of.., the remit is for us to fulfil the objectives of 
		the fund and the fund is to try and find Madeleine and bring those 
		responsible to justice so there’s always an agenda item about finances 
		and we need to look at that. We’ve done other fund raisers in the past 
		and we’ll keep looking at that. We’ve been very fortunate from the point 
		of view of having so many of the public make donations and a large part 
		of the money we’ve spent, as you know, has come from libel damages which 
		were paid into the fund. So we’ll continue to explore it. We certainly 
		need to be looking at income generation over the next months. 
		
		DS 
		There must be huge pressure on you knowing you’ve always got to look 
		(????????). 
		
		GM 
		Well, I mean, we’d love nothing more to find Madeleine. And then we 
		wouldn’t have to worry about that. You’re absolutely right. Our focus is 
		on the search for Madeleine and without the authorities conducting that 
		then the onus is on us and we don’t think that’s right. The onus should 
		be on the governments to do more. We’d love to give that pressure away. 
		You’re right. 
		
		DS 
		And you mention the money from the trials. How do you feel now that 
		Amaral’s book is going to be on the shelves here? 
		
		GM 
		Yeah, so.  Well, you know, we’ve already alluded to it. Anyone who wants 
		to convince people that Madeleine is dead without evidence to support it 
		then will just have to be questioned.  But today the focus is on asking 
		the public to help us petition the governments to do more. 
		
		DS 
		Do you feel that you should be chasing libel actions?  Some people might 
		say why don’t you just leave libel stuff to one side? Why try and 
		silence your critics? 
		
		KM 
		Well obviously we’ve talked about this in great detail previously. The 
		reason why we had to take actiion was because we strongly felt it was 
		damaging the search to find Madeleine and as Gerry has just said, that 
		is our ultimate goal, is to find Madeleine. 
		
		DS 
		I just wonder, can you update people? Where are you now? I mean recently 
		you went over to Germany. You translated all your literature into 
		German. So can you update people? Where are you now? Have you got any 
		new leads?  What’s happening (???????)? 
		
		GM 
		I would like to say to you that we did have some hot leads but the very 
		fact that we are calling for a complete review to identify further areas 
		for investigation is telling you that, you know, more needs to be done. 
		All the information needs to be put onto one database because that may 
		be the way that we find the key bit of information, the missing piece of 
		the jigsaw. 
		
		DS 
		So at the moment you are worried that there isn’t even a central 
		database so the information might not be getting cross referenced 
		(?????)? 
		
		KM 
		Yes, I mean there’s information in lots of centres that hasn’t been 
		brought together and there could be two key bits of information that 
		individually don’t seem key but put together could give you some 
		valuable information that could take you one step closer to finding 
		Madeleine so it just seems an obvious and crucial thing to do. And this 
		is why reviews are done time and time again in this country on major 
		investigations. 
		
		DS 
		So you must be frustrated that the government has carried out a scoping 
		into whether there should be a review and no action has been taken? 
		
		GM 
		Yeah, I mean that’s what we’re asking for. We want to see what action. 
		We want metrics. We want deliverables. And we want the government to do 
		more. Madeleine is a British subject and the government should be doing 
		more to look out for her interests. 
		
		DS 
		And I was just wondering. How can people sign the petition? 
		
		GM 
		Its on the ipetitions website. So its www.ipetitions.com then forward 
		slash petitions but its quite a complex link. 
		
		DS 
		We’ll put it on our website. 
		
		GM 
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