Concha Garcia Campoy:
The McCanns answer for Las Mananas de Cuatro the most controversial
issues, the suspicion falling on them.
They were accused of having drugged their children
It's a shame that such information has been published without any basis;
it's a lie, what more can I say?
They were accused of being responsible for the disappearance of
The way the leaking of the accusations was handled, the lies that the
media turned to give an impression that we were guilty, the
disappearance of our daughter, was especially difficult.
They were accused of withholding evidence. The McCanns show their faces
and respond to all these accusations in Las Mananas de Cuatro.
Indeed, today we ask the most controversial questions, the most
difficult ones. The answers here in ?Las Mananas de Cuatro?.
Jerome Boloix is here at this table and Alfonso Egea, good morning. Next
we are going to show the interview that the McCanns have given us, with
the most controversial questions, with the doubts that haven't been
disclosed yet; we will raise them first, are these:
Today, in our program, the McCanns answer all the doubts that have
surrounded the case since Madeleine's disappearance, and which point to
them as suspects. Case managers in Portugal claim that there is no
evidence that the child has been abducted, as argued by the McCanns.
Goncalo Amaral (file image):
The main hypothesis is that it was a domestic accident. She was a light
sleeper, sedated or not by her parents, woke up, she tried to reach the
window and fell off the couch killing herself.
was very impressed that it was said at some point they had drugged the
Their interpretation is contrary to the death although there is
evidence, cadaver odour, the smell of human blood and there is a set of
forensic evidence that indicates, unfortunately, that the child is
Goncalo Amaral claims that there are witnesses who saw Gerry McCann
carrying a child's body the night of Madeleine's disappearance.
An Irish family met with a man that was carrying a child's body in his
arms. When they saw Gerry coming off the plane also with his child, said
they were sure, to eighty percent, it was the same man they had seen
just after Madeleine's disappearance.
There are also other questions, alleged pressure from the British
Embassy to defend the abduction thesis, contradictions in the McCanns
and their friends statements about what happened that night and even
basic elements in any research that that even weren't done.
GA (image file): Here there are many things left to do, if the
McCann couple have so much desire to reopen the investigation, they can
start with the reconstruction, they can do it both alone, it would be
very very interesting.
Do you want the reopening of the investigation of your daughter's case,
of Madeleine?s case?
Voiceover: According to some members of the investigation, the
McCanns are not in prison because of their political contacts
Voiceover (Paulo Sargento):
I'm sure that if it were a Portuguese couple there would have been a
different treatment and forensic evidence would have been formed as
evidence and probably, probably, the couple would be in prison.
There was some evidence gathered in the apartment, also in the car you
had rented, do you know something about the results of these tests?
Now for the first time the McCanns show their faces and face all these
Come at once to hear the McCann's answers to these questions, but in
fact the Portuguese investigation, Goncalo Amaral speak about forensic
evidence, about evidence that they are hiding something, is it so
Let's see, there is evidence, because the dogs that went over there,
which belong to the English police and not to the Portuguese police,
detected without any doubt corpse odour and also the scent of human
blood in certain places, behind the sofa, in the McCann's closet and in
the car they rented 25 days later. The samples that were collected are
analyzed in the Birmingham's laboratory and they replied that after
analyzing the DNA from the blood that was collected there, that has to
have 19 alleles, let's say 19 meters, 15 of them, 15, have a complete
correspondence with Madeleine, without any doubt.
This is irrefutable, it's objective science, and we're tired of saying
it, now I want to invite people to think with common sense, Madeleine
McCann's mother washed a cuddly toy that was a crucial evidence, she
never explained why. Madeleine McCann's mother and father were called
for a reconstruction, that is the most normal thing in the world, to see
what had happened that night, nothing more, but they never wanted to do
it. Portuguese police goes a step further and say, okay, we cannot prove
their guilt but let's use the figure of arguido, we are going to
constitute them official suspects. What did Kate and Gerry McCann do
immediately after leaving the police station? Leave the country, go back
to England. All this, I want people to understand it, it's not about
saying that they are bad guys, that they are guilty, no, but everything
that this couple does is discordant with what any other parent in a
similar situation would do, nothing more than that.
CGC: Now let's see the concrete answers but Jose really as
forensics, forensic evidence as one part of the Portuguese police say,
not all, but an important part of those who led the research, do they
Objective and conclusive forensic evidence, really as such at 100
percent don't exist, because otherwise the judicial process would have
advanced. What happens is that in the absence of a body ... DNA is an 80
percent, they say dogs can do mistakes about body odour...
We also don't have Marta del Castillo's body and we have two people in
prison, then in the absence of bodies are not always... but if the
prosecutor, I'm reading, you have all the documentation in the world but
I understand, as someone with no expertise, that if there is evidence,
DNA, scent of corpse, evidence against the parents, witnesses
contradictions, these Messrs. should have been charged.
Let's leave these questions for now because they will receive responses
from the McCann's and we will analyze them here.
I'm still here at the table with Jeronimo Boloix, Cristina Fernandez,
Alfonso Egea, Jose Cabrera. Indeed, we have asked some of the most
controversial questions to the McCanns, this is their most sincere
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I'd like to ask two or three questions about the doubts raised during
the investigation, I understand that it's a bit painful, it's said that
you haven't collaborated in the reconstruction of the facts, neither
Especially some of our friends, if we analyze the way they were treated,
they thought that this reconstruction was not going to help find
Madeleine. No one wanted to do anything and amongst our friends there
were who thought it was going to be a complete media circus.
Kate McCann: No one asked about the possibility of doing a
reconstruction with actors. In the UK there is a program called Crime
Watch, which uses actors to reconstruct crimes because it's harmful to
ask people who have gone through a so traumatic experience to re-live
CGC: Some evidence were gathered in the apartment, also in the
car you rented, do you know the results of the tests?
The essential is that they prove nothing, there are elements of DNA that
the forensic experts said were from five different people. The
forensics? report was absolutely clear, he said that none of these
samples was evidence of nothing, it was said there was blood but not
identified (Gerry scratches head)
CGC: Why do you think that the former head of the investigation,
Goncalo Amaral, wants to prove that you are guilty?
(Turning his hand over his head) To be honest I don't really want to
talk about this because one can speculate about his motives, but the
important thing is that there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead and
that we were involved. What Amaral said and his career speaks for
CGC: These are some of the most remarkable questions, what do you
think? Perhaps the part of the reconstruction... Why don't they want to
do the reconstruction? It particularly struck me as one of the weakest
parts; I think that at some point you have to be there, right? Even
though there is a media circus that nobody has started.
No, no. Yes, the parents started it, they stared it. This is a media and
global disappearance because the parents, from the outset when the girl
disappeared, allegedly, the first call they made was to Sky News not to
the police. From there on we all know what...
They say that is not true.
It's true because there is a call log. But let's analyze the issue of
the reconstruction. The issue of reconstruction when there are certain
witnesses who did not coincide on the narrative of events, it is
absolutely necessary to do it because the police and the judges will
know on the spot what each one has done and they will also relate to
them. It is absolutely impossible to do this with actors, these Messrs
don't have clear that this is a police and judicial investigation, not a
media issue, they say there's a TV show, well, they can do all the
television they want.
The police needs to do this to find evidence that some of the witnesses
are lying and on the other hand, just to finish, it is striking that
they have refused and their friends have refused, but they did
participate in a reconstruction made for a TV documentary, they did
participate in that one.
Cannot a court order be made compelling their friends and them to
participate in that reconstruction in situ?
the reconstruction is ordered by a judge it?s mandatory. What happens
here is that they are English in another country that is not their
country and in this case the judge felt the vest before forcing them.
CF: I want to ask something else, like you see flaws in the part
of the reconstruction, don?t you also see flaws in the police operation?
That is, you are saying that at first they refused to do the
reconstruction, and as you say at that time would have been better,
weren?t there also failures when the police arrive at the apartment...?
Hardly any police investigation, and that Jeronimo can attest, have a
good start. I mean, you have to open the entire range of possibilities
and among all the possibilities you have...
Yes, but did they do it right or was it wrong done?
They did everything that had to be done...
OK to the Portuguese police
We also have to add a rider. After 24 hours of disappearance of the
girl, the English police arrive to Portugal, since then absolutely,
absolutely until they (the McCanns) leave and literally flee from
Just a moment Jeronimo, because they also told us, they told us many
things because it was a lengthy interview, that it took them (the
police) 50 minutes to arrive.
is possible, I have this data, it may have taken them 50 minutes to
arrive. In those 50 minutes I guess that in absence of the police, they
and their friends began to look for the girl, but nobody went looking
for the girl, they all sat in the living room and on bed where the girl
was allegedly sleeping waiting for the police to arrive. Let's put
ourselves in a situation, if someone arrives to the apartment and find's
their daughter missing, they start looking for her like a madman,
shouting so everyone comes to look. But on the other hand, I would like
to continue underpinning that, after 24 hours the British police arrive
and someone from the first instance until the last moment the Portuguese
police and British police acted/worked jointly in the investigation of
Let's see, talking about the police taking 50 minutes to arrive, is an
issue that in this particular case is not as relevant as it may seem,
the actions are carried out as in any other case. To me there is
something else that catches my attention watching the interview, I see a
total change of registration as to gestures, tones and words they use,
did you sense a change at the moment you said, be careful, I'm going on
with hard questions?
Yes, and I warned them, normally in the interviews we don't warn when we
are going to launch the gun question, but in this case, obviously, I
feared that they got up from the chair because there are precedents,
that's why I warned them, I'm going to ask these questions, I warn you,
I warned them only for healing and health and this was they manner to
get them responding it all. I would like us to see more of that
interview because they insist very insistently on the theory of
abduction, they "deny the greatest" (Item: Game of the Mus) about the
Portuguese police thesis.
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you want to reopen the investigation into the case of your daughter
KM: There is a missing child. This case is not closed, is like
saying bad luck, we haven?t found her, it is necessary to revise all
I just think that this is unacceptable, that the parents of a girl have
to drive the investigation.
was very impressed at some point it was said that you came to drug the
children; I suppose it is the most serious allegations made to you.
Well, again that's a total lie, errr is a shame it was published. You
have to keep in mind that this has no basis; it?s all a lie, what more
can I say?
There were things said, that were published and clearly some things were
invented, other people who have gone through similar tragedies and are
exposed to the media have gone through similar things. Before,
Journalism had credibility, but now they seek quick profits, no matter
how damaging it is to people.
This is a question for both but especially for Kate, the Portuguese
police interrogations, have they been particularly hard?
The questionings are one of those situations that I never believed we do
ever been in. A man has taken Madeleine and we have to find him to find
Madeleine and the fact that the police is not looking for that man but
suspecting me and Gerry, well, that hurts me (Video Madeleine images)
Identifying that person is the first stage, whoever took Madeleine is
still out there, then other children are at risk. How can we participate
in her "kidnapping"? We had no vehicle or anything. The leeks media and
lies put out there to try to give an image that we were guilty was
not as difficult as the night we found her.
Well, these are testimonies that cause a different reaction in each
other. What do you think?
Very good everything they've said. In first place, reassure the public,
the alleged kidnapper of Madeleine McCann has had three years of
inactivity, he has not kidnapped anyone else despite Gerry McCann's
claims that there is a man without putting any evidence on the table.
There is one fact I think that sometimes has been magnified by the word
that is used, drugged, is not the same to drug than to give medication
to a child, Kate McCann forgets she stated to Portuguese police that
that night... was your daughter being treated? ?Yes, I gave her some
painkillers, she has a very light sleep is a very hyper child? and all
who have children and grandchildren know that there are certain
medicines for children, it?s all right, you take them in a bag and give
them to the kid. That's what the police really wanted to say, beware
that this may have been the cause off... She converts it in a ?they
accuse me of drugging my daughter; I am not a black widow?. Nobody
thinks on that scenario, which is also evident.
CGC: Jose, I'm very interested in your opinion.
It's exactly as Alfonso is saying, it's incredible, we can mourn with
them, what may what you want, we may be sceptical, we may not, but the
are both doctors, they said in their statements, I read them, I was in
Lisbon 10 days after all happened because I was called to go to the
Portuguese TV, in fact, Portuguese police cowered, that to say, the
entire government Portuguese cowered because there are 400,000 English
living in Portugal, that is very important, then of course, what happens
here? Must we believe them or not? It's not about believing them or not,
it's about what they say isn't consistent with what the police
investigated. It's not consistent.
JB: It should also be noted that the start of the investigation
is about an abduction, immediately after the alarm about the
disappearance of Madeleine was raised police began to investigate and
arrested Robert Murat, more than 100 English settlers paedophiles in the
Algarve are investigated and for three months they only and exclusively
follow the path of kidnapping. Until three months later, with the help
of British police and also an absolutely essential element here is Mark
Harrison, the head of the National Centre for Missing and Child Abuse
from United Kingdom who went there, made with Portuguese police a review
of the investigation and the English police issued a report that said
?you have to change the line of research, that Madeleine may be dead and
the parents must be investigated summing up the issue he says: ?This
measure seems to be a proportionate and appropriate response to the
CGC: Well a lot of attention because tomorrow we have more data.
It really has been a very thorough interview and there are very
important issues that will continue. Tomorrow we will continue
discussing. Thanks? Jerome, Cristina, Jose, Alfonso.