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Paul Drockton Radio Show
I've removed most of the erms and ers for easier reading.
Steve Marsden = Brian Johnson, author of Faked Abduction. I've used
both names in the beginning because Paul Drockton switches between
introducing him as Steve Marsden and then later refers to him as
Brian.
Paul:
Good afternoon, this is Paul Drockton, you're listening to the Paul
Drockton radio show and we've got a special guest today, Steve Marsden
who is also a published author. And we're going to talk about the
er, the potentially faked abduction of Maddie McCann and basically, just
to get this started ...Brian, er Steve is basically a British citizen
and moved to the United States a few years ago and he's done quite a bit
of work with er, er, computers and programming. He's also a licensed
pilot, and drives or fly's British aircraft. In addition to that he
studies history, photography, soccer, rugby, travel, and he considers
himself quite the expert on ['cadaver'] and done quite a bit of research
on what we refer to as the Davinci Code. In fact he's been to
Rosslyn chapel quite a few times.
So, let me ask yer, erm, er Brian, what do you think er is the most
critical thing we need to know about Maddie'
Steve (Brian): That's a good question, really er Paul and
thanks for having me on the show today. Ermm...the story, story's just
exploded from, you know, three years ago May 3rd when she disappeared.
Ermm..it's just been, a government conspiracy, a British government
conspiracy to er, cover up the true circumstances of the disappearance
from day one. I think that's the most insidious aspect to the nature of
the British government intervening in the case. They didn't let the
Portuguese police get on with their job, and er, this was exploited with
the British media to a sort of a propaganda campaign against the
investigators like from day one. And erm...
Paul: So when you say investigators, who, who, who would you
name as, or who would you consider to be the investigators of this
story'
Steve (Brian): Well he main investigators were the Portuguese
CIE which er, the PJ which er judiciario they're like the equivalent of
er, probably like the FBI in the USA. they're, they're, you know, higher
than the sort of average police guy on the street and erm, the leader of
that investigation was
Goncalo Amaral and he was on the case from day
one and through till October 2nd 2007.
Paul: Can you kind of give us a review of what the, er
Portuguese FBI found in this case'
Steve (Brian): Erm, well they were investigating it, getting
you know, they were, they were pretty much led in the investigation by
this group known as the Tapas9 which were the nine people,
Madeleine's
parents with seven other couples ' seven other people er...sorry, er
three couples and another lady. And they were kinda leading the
investigation down the road of abduction but with very little evidence.
And...the
Paul: How, how are these ...I'm going to interrupt you
as we go along because some people are not as familiar with this
as...you know, you are obviously and we wanna make sure that we cover
some of the questions that they probably have, so we're talking about
seven individuals ...are these individuals like co-conspirators ...would
you...are they, are we talking about a paedophile ring' What, what
exactly are we referring to'
Steve (Brian): Erm, each of the couples, as I say, there's
four couples and another lady so that there's nine people, nine adults
and eight children in the group. They were just friends erm, in each of
the couples were at least, like Kate and Gerry the parents of
Madeleine they were both doctors, er, in the other couples there was at least one
doctor so they all knew each other from medical school, erm, they went
out on the vacation to Portugal for one week, the vacation was organised
by one of the doctors within in the group, David Payne...and erm, you
know, they pretty much went on what a lot of people would consider an
adult holiday er vacation. They went erm, they left the children each
day in a daytime, sort of day care cr'he facility and then in the
evening they would go out socialising and leave the children back
in the apartment so, you know, first question is....
Paul: Were there other children that were with
Madeleine' Is
that what we're talking about here'
Steve (Brian): Well, each of the couples had their respective
children you know, so according to their own alibis they had left the
children each night in the apartments while they went out socialising.
Paul: Gochyer. What was the oldest child' Do you know' I
mean...
Steve (Brian): Well, they were all toddlers pretty much,
babies in arms or kind of, you know, in strollers or you know, three,
four year old. That sort of age range.
Paul: So are we talking about.... they basically locked these
kids up at night while they went out and partied'
Steve (Brian): Well that's a good question because on the
original er witness statements on the day after she disappeared on May
3rd ...on May 4th witness statements from Gerry and Kate they spoke of
erm entering the apartment from a locked door. So clearly in that case you're right it was locked, but their alibi soon changed to er, entering
the apartment through the patio doors which they claimed to have left
open.
Paul: So....I guess what I'm trying get at here is you know,
very minimum this is a case of neglect, I mean if you're talking about
toddlers and I'm assuming they're still in diapers [diapers = nappies]
or at least some of them were...
Steve (Brian): That, that...absolutely in diapers ...they even
mentioned that so yes absolutely.
Paul: So minimal charges that could have been filed here were child
neglect charges, the fact that they left them er, reportedly left them
unsupervised and er, okay, I apologise so ....In, in your book you talk
about er, there's certain questions that er... 48 questions that Kate
did not answer. So Kate's the mother of Madeleine correct'
Steve (Brian): yep, yep that's right. Kate Healy.
Paul: Okay, so tell us a little about what their story was and
then tell us, you know, where you see the holes.
Steve (Brian): Well the very first, we have to look at the
very first story in the police file, the witness statements from the day
after er, she went missing when they were taken into the police station
to give their first account. So the very first account erm, were that
....
Paul: would it be okay if we took calls through this show as
well' Oh I'm sorry Brian, Steve (Brian): Oh yeah. Absolutely.
Paul: I'm gonna take one, take on right now
Steve: Okay.
Paul: Give me one second ...okay so, ...we lost the caller
so...okay, I'm sorry, go ahead...
Steve (Brian): Okay, so, so , yeah...I've got a chapter in my
book how the story unfolded and basically, it.... this, this was
unanimous that the window and the shutter into the bedroom, the
children's bedroom had been jimmied open or broken, erm, every single
person that spoke to the media in the hours after the, er disappearance
said that the window had been broken and she'd been snatched through
this window, but the interesting thing is that when we see the
police forensics erm, dusting the shutter and window for prints on the
morning of May 4th, those prints were subsequently found to show that
there was only Kate's and, I think, the police officer who probably
examined the window on the night, they were the only prints found on the
window. But 94 days after the disappearance and this is crucial, Kate
was still telling the world that the window had been smashed open.
Paul: the window, the window was intact and someone had
actually appeared to jimmy the door, correct'
Steve (Brian): NO! No, there were no signs of damage
whatsoever
Paul: Hmm, just the fingerprints on that door perhaps, so the
bottom line is what we're talking about here is perjury pretty much. Did
she say this in court or was there...something else like that'
Steve (Brian): No, they never had any inquest and they never
erm, they were never formally charged. Nobody's ever been formally
charged with any offenses in connection, apart from there's a few people
who tried to collect money on behalf of the official
Madeleine Fund.
Obviously that's sort of...
Paul: Well, that's a big issue I think to...we're gonna get
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...okay, so Brian let's back outta here and so what you're saying is
this, that er there is no signs of forced entry correct'
Brian: Correct
Paul: And the question I've got is that, how much money has
this lady rasied er for this fund'
Brian: Oh, the family erm wasted no time in setting up like an
official er fund to collect the money, er within days of the
disappearance and it was a well oiled machine, they used a very high
powered firm of London lawyers to er, set the fund er going and erm,
that was kind of a mystery in itself because the family live nowhere
near London so they were well connected with a lot of high powered
influential people in setting up this fund which raised probably in the
region of 4 to 5 million dollars
Paul: amazing. I mean let's just examine this, I mean this to
me is, you know, again thinking about this case is that here you have a
er, purportedly grieved parent...right...and, how, how, what was the
time between the disappearance the er setup of this er fund' This
request for donations'
Brian: Erm, well they had a website domain registered on May
11th and she disappeared on May 8th ...er sorry, May 3rd so that was
what, 8 days. And then on May 15th er, four days after that was the
official Limited Company that's formed.
Paul: To raise, to raise donations. Now what types of
activities have we seen that they've done to you know, find Madeleine,
supposedly even look for her, er where's this money gone, have they
spent it on searching for Madeleine'
Brian: No, the thing is they've employed some private
detectives in the first years of accounts there was 250,000 which is
approximately half a million dollars back then with a group called
Metodo3 and staying in Barcelona, Spain, this is an outfit that had no
track record in looking for people so first of all the recruitment of
this company is called into question anyway
Paul: Yeah, so bottom line is what you're saying is they
brought in a bunch of amateurs er that they knew were not the best
people for the job.
Brian: Right, right
Paul...so looks like as if er and you said that was 250,000
...have you seen the other expenditures that were made by this fund'
Brian: Yeah, the company have also spent money on a guy
called Kevin Halogen who's actually awaiting deportation from the UK to
the US erm, he's implicated in some er there was a warrant out for his
arrest in, I think in the State of Virginia last year erm, because of
some embezzlement kind of, type of er activity in the DC area.
Paul: So we're talking about er...was he...let me ask you
this...was he a produciaree(') in this fund, did he handle money er...what
role did he play, do you know'
Brian: Who, who are you talking about now' Halogen'
Paul: Yeah.
Brian: No, I mean there's no sign that he was connected with
the fund erm, I don't think there's any signs on the surface if you like
of anybody that they've spent money with as being
....er..use the word, say money laundering or whatever but I mean, it's
just that the choice of the company that, the people, the investigators
that they used, they just don't seem to have any track so if they're
using donated funds, you know, why isn't anybody questioning erm, like,
surely you'd go to a company that's had successes in finding people. Paul: Yeah, which they haven't...and has there been any, let me ask
you this, has there been any efforts in Portugal to find er Maddie'
Brian: No, er when the police erm, the police wound up the
case after, almost after a year of the cold case er, because they didn't
have enough evidence to bring about a prosecution so it's been shelved
as a cold case but erm, i don't think Portugal have ever really followed
the line of a missing person in terms of looking for her because they
believed that she, she died erm in the apartment, that was their
conclusion, that's why I wrote my book. My book is actually really just
about the conclusion and why the Portuguese police concluded that she
had died in the apartment
Paul: Let's focus on that ...so tell me; tell me why er the
Portuguese police determined that Madeleine had died in the apartment
Brian: Erm, well first of all they couldn't find any evidence
of any ...there's no physical evidence of abduction apart from the
Tapas9 saying she was abducted. Erm, there's no, there's no, there was
no evidence of any person going through that window, there was no
scuffmarks there was no...the
Lichen
[lie-ken']
on, on the window as not marked in any way ermm...
Paul: The moss correct'
Brian: The moss, yes.
Paul: Okay
Brian; So here was no sign of anybody taking her through that
window, erm, and you know, there was so many contradictions in the ever
changing alibis. So, they brought in erm, a police expert dog handler
called Martin Grime who erm, had a cadaver dog and a human blood
sniffing dog and er, they brought this guy in and he works
for the FBI, he works around the world, his dogs have got international
passports so they're used in a lot of international cases with a lot of
success and never had any failures and they went into the apartment, I
spoke to Martin Grime personally in December a couple of times and er,
he outlined the search procedure to me and you know, when he was
introduced into the case erm, he called it a clearing run to go into the
apartment, he had no idea or any preconceived notion that the dogs would
alert in that apartment, but they alerted in the McCanns apartment
Paul: they alerted for blood correct.
Brian: Well first of all he puts the cadaver dog in there and
of course if the cadaver dog senses there's a dead body then he
brings in the blood sniffing dog. So, two dogs were deployed
separately but the two dogs alerted in the same places.
Paul: Yeah, that's amazing, I mean that ...so the bottom line
is the cadaver dog identified that there was a dead body in that house
or in that apartment.
Brian: Correct...and that...
Paul: So...and they also found blood...I'm sorry, go ahead.
Brian: yeah, I was going to make the point ...I even asked
Martin Grime, I said well what's the chances of somebody planting some
evidence in there because you know, there is a product pseudo scent
which is often used to train these cadaver dogs but Martin assured me
that his dogs do not alert to the manmade product so he said, the only
way he could see erm, you know, evidence of the dead body in an
apartment is if somebody had gone to the morgue you know, and introduced
a real dead body oe you know, items relating to a dead body in there.
Paul: could cadaver been from someone died previously, I mean,
how long does the scent stay in the apartment' I mean how
long....
Brian: Well, the police checked the apartment and there was no
record of anybody having died before or after the McCanns stayed in the
apartment.
Paul: Hm. So bottom line is er this gentleman is saying this
dog will not alert on any artificial substance er, that there
would have actually have been a dead body in that apartment for
the dog to alert and then the second dog was brought in and found blood
...okay...so the question I've got for yer is ... what's the response
from er Kate and er and these dogs, what did she say'
Brian: Ermm...well, the response was that she said she'd come
into contact with six dead bodies in her work as a GP as a General
Practitioner in the weeks preceding the vacation
Paul: what did the dog hander say to that explanation'
Brian: Er he didn't. He said you know, I mean he's a very
professional he didn't make any opinion ot me erm, because as he says
his dogs are just a tool in the process, it's up to the forensics after
the dogs have gone in to...you know they're, they're ...the dogs are
finding a needle in a haystack after that it's down to the forensic guys
to examine the needle. So you know....
Paul: have they been able to document that she did in fact was
around six dead bodies before she went into the apartment'
Brian: Well that's one of these factual things that, you know,
we know she said that but there's been no proof or collaboration
of that.
Paul: um hum...So bottom line is er, obviously what we have
here is we have every reason to suspect there's enough evidence there to
launch a criminal investigation and obviously it sounds like Portugal
..This is outside of their jurisdiction right now or ... you tell me.
Would they have to actually bring her back into the country for trial
or...
Brian: Well, in Portugal, the way there judicial system works
they were actually named as official defendants or arguidos in
September, early September of 2007, this was soon after the dogs had
gone in, just over a month after that and the legal status as an arguido
meant they had to report to a police station every five days, er within
every week I think it was, you know, there were certain conditions and
erm, that legal status only...er...either had to bring about charges or
they had to erm, free them from that legal status. So in the
summer of 2008 they were actually released from that status when the
case was shelved as a cold case. Now the McCanns told the world that
they were officially cleared, well that's not true they were not
officially cleared because they were never officially charged, they were
just ... er...they had their arguido status er rescinded.
Paul: So one of the things we have here of course is that er,
not just manipulation but this is the thing, it sounds as if these
people's stories have changed now, it's er, it's basically changed to
suit whatever information comes out.
Brian: Oh...it certainly has. I mean that's one of the
noticeable aspects of the case that, for instance er, when the police
made their er appropriate international rogatory requests with the
British government to er, interview some of the suspects in England in
2008 obviously this was a vacation, most of the people had gone back
home so, you know, they had to follow it up with interviews in the UK
which they did substantially in April 2008 ermm...
Paul: You say 'they'...who's the investigators here.
Brian: Well, the Portuguese investigators then liaised with
the British, er the British police in the er the county where the
McCanns live, this is Leicestershire constabulary and so most of these
er rogatory interviews were conducted in Leicester in England and erm,
they also made requests for, you know, documentations for instance the
McCanns financial records, the erm, medical records of Madeleine but the
British government intervened and would not allow Madeleine's medical
records to be disclosed
Paul: Mmmm....that's crazy. So we're talking about conspiracy
goes right to the top. We're going to take another quick commercial
break here and then we'll come back er to the story. So obviously what
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Okay, so here's a question I've got, obviously all this is leading to
the conclusion, at least I'm having...there's a conspiracy going
on here and erm, can you tell us more about that'
Brian: Well, the amazing thing is as I say, the amount of
British government intervention and when I say that I'm talking about
the highest level of cabinet ministers,, er, Tony Blair was the Prime
Minister at the time er, Gordon Brown was the Chancellor, both of these
people made personal phone calls to the McCanns and notably in Kate's
diary she refers to those people has Tony and Gordon as if she's got
some prior connection with these people, erm, you know, there's a
certain familiarity with these people that erm, transcends a normal
persons er, if you like, relationship with the government and that's
never been disclosed and I think as public servants, publically elected
servants Gordon Brown and Tony Blair should be made to answer for what
they're real role was in the McCann case.
Paul: um hum...so the bottom line is er, I guess it is a
question that the reason, that I'm thinking to myself here is, these
other kids that were there erm, were they interviewed, were they talked
to at all'
Brian: That's an interesting point as
well you see, er, in Gerry McCann's interview when he was made an
official defendant he claimed that the twins weren't capable of
speech but we have a lot of anecdotal evidence where relatives in the
family say oh the twins have asked when is Madeleine coming back so we
know they did have a good grasping of speech erm, but they never
bothered to speak to the children, the twins, er Madeleine had two er
twin brother and sister they were younger, they were two years old, er,
but notably as well erm Paul on the night in question the twins were
fast asleep and with all the commotion in the apartment they never woke
and that was a point noted by several police officers.
As well
as Fiona Payne who was one of the Tapas9 erm, and she actually commented
that Kate kept going up to the twins and putting her hand on their mouth
to see if they were breathing. And with all this commotion for several
hours the twins just didn't wake up.
Paul: that's interesting. So the bottom line is, is that, okay so
they did find blood though, or they did scent blood in the apartment so
the question is, is it possible that the, you know, maybe the er,
suspected murder took place outside of the apartment' Brian: Well, I don't think that er...you, you used the word
murder there, erm, I don't think Portugal has ever claimed it to be a
murder and... Paul: aha...I said suspected murder so...I mean, I can express my
opinion and that's what I'm doing. Brian: Sure, sure, well Goncalo Amaral
he erm, he puts forward
the theory that she climbed on the sofa and fell off while unattended
erm, I personally don't believe that, you know, but who am I to say...if
she died in the apartment erm, there was some erm reports and early
reports in September of 07 talking about a blood spray pattern on the
wall er [commencing'] a fractured larynx so you know... Paul: I'm sorry, a fractured...' Brian: Larynx in the throat. There's a branch of forensics that
can examine erm you know, where a wound was inflicted from the blood
spray pattern on the wall or something. Paul: Are we talking about literally, I mean this is, you know
I'm going to ask the questions, but we're talking about she could have
had her throat slit' Brian: Ermmmm....I mean, I mean there is no particular evidence
in the files or anywhere to say if she died how it occurred and erm, I
mean one of the cadaver dog also alerted in a flowerbed outside the
apartment er, the veranda was about, I'd say, about eight feet above
ground level, so she could have climbed and fallen off and fallen into a
flowerbed for example. You know, there's numerous theories... Paul: the bottom line is you're talking about a blood splatter
pattern here that seems consistent with someone who er, I mean, if you
fracture larynx erm, that's not going to spray blood, if someone cuts
yer that's going to spray blood and so, I mean this again, I'm just
speculating here. But the point is, there's plenty of evidence there for
a, for a criminal investigation and that's the bottom line is that there
hasn't been one Brian: Well, the criminal examination was erm, sabotaged by the
British government as I say, going back to those records, those
financial records that came back from England filled one side of paper
and it just basically said that Kate and Gerry had no record of bank
accounts or credit cards which is crazy because we know they rented a
car er, using a credit card so ... Paul: they covered up their tracks pretty much, I mean in other
words there's no way for either you or I do know what they did, where
they were at the time this took place. Brian: Right, and if there was, you know... peoples
spending habits is crucial in any criminal investigation but the
Portuguese investigators were denied that knowledge. Paul: So...you've got..here...you've got ..erm I don't know, I'm
just going to ask you this. You've got 48 questions that Kate did not
answer can you get into that a little bit' Brian: Well, she basically ['] the fifth on every one of those
questions er, if you ask me if I can just bring up the questions
here...now.. Paul: No, that's okay, I don't think we need to get into ...
you've got your book and this will be a good time, tell people how they
can get hold of this book. Brian: yeah, if they visit the website which is erm,
fakedabduction.com
they can order it directly online from, form the website, erm, they can
order, if they order quantities for 4 to 9 books there's a discount on
the handling fees but erm, at the moment it's sold, the book is sold
into six different countries er the UK, the USA er, Portugal, Germany
Spain and Belgium and er, you know it's provoking a lot of interest. Paul: Well hopefully it will bring about er you know, I mean this
is what we're dealing with here, internationally, you know, we've, we've
already uncovered erm you know, on this radio program and through our
site in numerous paedophile rings that are operating at highest levels
of government and erm, you know one of the things that you bring up as
well is that you talk about er, David Payne's paedophile
allegations Brian: Well there was...the British media has commented on the
case as it's gone along but one, notably one piece of information in the
British media has never talked about is erm, there was some er witness
statements thirteen days after Madeleine disappeared in England, erm,
two doctors who were friends of the McCanns went to Leicester police
station to make a report about er an earlier vacation in 2005 in the
Spanish island of Majorca erm, now on that vacation there was the two
witnesses er, the Paynes and the McCanns and erm, there was a
conversation between Gerry McCann and David Payne er that was er that
was overheard by these two witnesses and er, it was highly inappropriate
discussion which they deemed to be sexual and talking about Madeleine
Paul: This was after her death' Brian: No, this was in 2005. The doctors were concerned er they
had, they had concerns about this holiday that they'd be on in 2005 er
and she disappeared in 07 so this was two years before she disappeared
and so this inappropriate discussion erm, you know, they went to,
naturally went to the police to erm, explain their experience back in
2005. Now that information.... Paul: They filed a police report' Brian: They filed a police report. Now that information was
deliberately withheld by Leicester police and not handed to Portuguese
investigators for almost six months Paul: Jeez Brian: they didn't send it until October the 24th and er, by that
time the chief inspector had been pulled off the case. Paul: Jeez...so let me ask you a question. These two individuals
okay, that we're talking about, what happened to them' Brian: Er, do you mean the witnesses or' Paul: yeah, the two witnesses Brian: Er, they've never been heard of, I mean we know from the
police files that they made that statement and erm, I don't think
they've been interviewed by anybody. Er, my, my, my sort of guess is
that the British media have been gagged on that aspect, a bit like the
Hollie Greig case. I think that, you know, talking about the er,
Payne/McCann allegations in Majorca is taboo and I think that's the
aspect the McCanns have tried to get Goncalo Amaral's book
injuncted [']
on that basis. Paul: Okay...so bottom line, let me ...we're going to have to
take another break here real quick and erm, what I'd like you to do is
if you are around my website is, you'll see there's a nice little green
band there for the surge ex pro... [snipped]
Okay...so, this is, this is the question alright. Were these
individuals, this is what we've found in like....let me give you another
example in Jon Banay case. They were actually putting Jon Banay in this
beauty pageant and er, there's been a lot of er, evidence that seem to
point, you know, that these childhood beauty pageants can also be used
to er, erm, prostitute children, you know, for the use of, of paedophile
elite and er, were they involved with anything like that with
Madeleine' Brian: Ermmm....I don't, I don't see any evidence of that
whatsoever, erm, you know, I've got to be honest there erm, in fact...in
fact.. Paul: We've got a caller here....Go ahead you're on the air.
Hello' Hello, you're on the air. I'm sorry, go ahead. Brian: Yeah, erm, I was going to say and I stress this point,
that, the actual evidence that we see and all the hearsay from the
friends and neighbours of the McCanns is that they were, you know,
typical loving parents of, you know, three young children so the bizarre
thing is if they were so security conscious, so er, caring towards the
children you know, why did they leave them every night' So there's a
clear conflict anyway erm.... Paul: We're going to take a call here...I'm, I'm sorry...are you
there' Are you there' Sorry, go ahead. Are you there'
Yeah, hi, I'm here. Paul: My apologies, we're just er...people are hanging up before
we get to them. But this is such an interesting topic I mean, no
honestly, I want to hear you talk about it so ...if you'd like to call
in the number's [number delted] and let Brian have the chance to finish
his statement and we'll get you on the air...okay I'm sorry... Brian: Yeah, erm, it's just a mystery all round really and er and
it's just been covered up in a similar way to you know...you've had Anne
Greig and Stuart Usher on your show recently and so you know the er...the
way that the er British establishment can cover these things up. And no
doubt this occurred with the Madeleine case. Now I think in the Hollie
Greig case they were able to stop a wildfire by fanning the flames
before they got too big erm, but in the Madeleine case because of its
international erm, publicity and the nature of the disappearance they
weren't, they weren't able to suppress the stories so what happened,
instead of suppression erm, there was a sustained campaign of propaganda
and so they brought in a guy who use to work for the British government
called Clarence Mitchell who is a er, he worked for the Media Monitoring
Unit in the government which is basically the governments propaganda
department and he was brought in er, within days of the disappearance
and erm, he had a clear hand in manipulating the British press to
produce stories that were ostensibly were just that ' propaganda, just
in favour of the McCanns Paul: He's a spin doctor Brian: He's a spin doctor, yeah. Paul: Who pays for this guy' Brian: Well, initially he was paid for by the tax payer because
he was seconded to the McCanns from the Foreign Office so he was
actually, initially employed by the British Foreign Office to go around
as, as, you know, their PR man. Paul: mmhmm...so what we're talking about here is the government,
the British Government actually got involved in er, suppressing the
story Brian: Correct. Yes. Paul: We've got other allegations out there right now of er,
paedophilia in er, you know, in the highest levels of British government
don't we' Brian: It would appear so, yes. There's a lot of stories, I read
a story about Mike James recently er, looked very controversial Paul: Can you tell us a little bit about it' Brian: What ' Mike James' story' Paul: ummhmmm...you know, let's talk about some of the other
things that are going on right now. A lot of my listeners are you know,
throughout the world and we don't erm...we don't ... Brian: Sure. Well, the Hollie one...well obviously the one that's
the topic right now is the Hollie Greig story, I've devoted six pages to
that in the book as well and erm, you know, that is just an atrocious,
an appalling case of erm, you know, these lawyers and especially, what
is it, the Lord Advocate of Scotland erm, you know, covering up a story
which is erm in the public interest. What I'd like to know is why these
people don't rebut these allegations and they always feel that they have
to cover them up. Paul: Well, it's interesting you say that because I just
published an article today where the sheriff of Scotland came out and er
got a gag order against Robert Green. Now they're calling Robert Green
who was a journalist, they're calling him like an attorney advocate, now
the guy doesn't practise law he just writes articles. So they're trying
to turn this into you know...I don't know...I honestly...to me the more
you cover something up the more people are gonna want...are going to ask
questions. I mean, that's pretty much your experience isn't it Brian' Brian: That's always the way, I mean I've experienced that here
and in the USA as well. I mean, it's erm, you know, there's,
there's...this goes on in every country of the world I'm afraid and it's
seems that the more powerful the more rich these people are they can
manipulate the lawyers to gag people and silence them. And erm, you
know, that's the kind of an attitude that we thought that was prevalent
say in Russia in the cold war days but this is happening in Britain
which is supposed to be a free Western democracy....er...you know, we
know, we know it's not. And we don't want that attitude, we need
openness, we need to be able to talk about these things. Paul: Well here's a theory, you know, I'll throw this at yer. I
think that the reason why this case has gotten so much publicity is
simply it is a distraction erm, it's been a distraction. Not only...it
serves two purposes...one covers up what the ...for the er, you
know...for the McCanns but I think the second purpose is that, you know,
there's gotta be a channel for emotion and for energy and er, when the
government gives us er a release like in this case, you know, we can all
spend money and donate money to the McCann fund you know, and we can go
out and hang up posters looking for her...well, that's, that's ..all
that is, is just a way for them to siphon off the energy that really,
really need to be devoted towards exposing these people. Any comments on
that' Brian: Well the fund is certainly a mystery because the McCanns
are directors of the fund, they've also got er Gerry's brother John who
is the chairman of it and then you've got erm, Kate's uncle Brian, he's
also a director. So you've got four family members on the board of
directors there, you've also got Ed Smethurst, he's a 30 year Free Mason
er, who's also ....er...now the interesting thing is, the company, the
law firm that set up the fund is probably Britain's, one of the er
largest law firms representing Free Masons and Free Masons charities.
Now they don't advertise them on their website. I found that through
considerable research. Paul: Interesting. So we're talking that the Free Masons are
behind funding this er McCann fund' Brian: Erm, well you know, the, the Bates Wells and Braithwaite
law firm behind the Madeleine fund they're also the lawyers for the
Grand Charity which is Britain's largest Free Masons charity so ...yeah,
there's a clear business connection between a lot of Free Masonry
involvement and the McCann ...er...the Madeleine fund. Paul: Okay, so we're going to take one more break here and er
...[snipped]
We've got a few minutes left here and er...Brian, I am definitely going
to have you back on this show and er...go ahead...you've got three
minutes ...what else would you like to tell us' Brian: Yeah, I'd like to just say a few words for the inspector
Goncalo Amaral who erm, was as I say, he was pulled off the case and
even Gordon Brown knew about that before he was fired. Erm, the, erm,
inspector wrote a book called 'The Truth in the Lie' which was a best
seller in Portugal where he, you know, he told us about some of the
hidden details of the case. And in September of last year the McCanns
filed an injunction in Portugal to have this inspector's book er banned
from sale, and after the hearing in January and February of this year
the judge actually er held a decision and the book is banned. His book,
his opinions about his involvement in the police case and the McCanns
have said they wanted the book banned because he is saying that she er
Madeleine is dead and therefore people won't look for her if they
believed she's dead. Erm, one of my websites I have an opinion poll of a
5,000 documented people where two out of three people believe she's dead
anyway. So you know, it's er Paul: they're going to do everything they can to suppress the
truth, that's what this sounds like to me. Brian: yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Paul: Everything. And the thing is it's not only them, it's the
er British government Brian: That's right Paul: Once again, this is a huge outrage, there's things we can
do and erm, we'll talk about that, first thing we need to do we need to
get your article out er, get the article published and probably a series
of articles and also promote your book so people can read this and er Brian: Thank you Paul:...there's other things we can do...one of the things I..we
can also do is create a petition for people to sign, demanding that...
you know... these things er come out and demanding a criminal
investigation into these things. I understand that erm, you know... I'm
not... I personally couldn't care less about what people can do or what
they want to do as far as threats and things like that ..erm, but I'm
sure you've had some of that. Give me some idea of what kind of
harassment you've had to put up with just to get this information out
there. Brian: Well I've been covering the case for three years now with
my websites and I've had a lot of, I mean, I can vouch for a lot of say
hate mail. You know, there's a lot of people who they don't want you to
investigate this stuff you know, and you've got to query why would
random people not be wanting you to investigate. You know, why was erm,
Martin Smith the guy who saw a man that in, he later pronounced he's 80%
sure he saw Gerry McCann carrying Madeleine in another part of the town
late...on that night and er, you know, he hadn't come forward and er,
somebody connected with the Madeleine fund contacted Martin Smith months
after this appearance. You know, why are these witnesses being tampered
with' Paul: Yeah, so what we end up with is ...when he saw, saw the dad
carrying Madeleine was she awake' Was she alive' I mean did he say
anything about that at all' Brian: Well in his testimony he initially told police he'd saw a
man carrying a girl about ten to ten at night which was ten minutes
before Kate supposedly alerted to say she'd disappeared and erm, you
know, months later when Martin Smith saw Gerry disembarking off the
plane carrying his son, that jogged his memory and he said 'that was the
man that I saw!' He claims he's 80% sure in the police files Paul: Wow. Well we, we sure appreciate you being on the air,
we're gonna start er, helping you with the publicity on this and er...give
us one more ..give us your web address one more time so people can buy
this book. Brian: Okay, yes, it's
fakedabduction.comand er, the book is on sale. Paul: Awesome. Well it was great having yer and er obviously I'm
going to commit you to appearing again on the show so
we can talk about this again in a little more detail. Brian: yeah, I'd like to do that, thank you. Paul: And er ... no problem...and er again this is er Steve
Marsden who is the author of the book and the title of the book is...go
ahead, it's all you... Brian: Faked Abduction Paul: Faked Abduction and the website you can go to get this book
is ... Brian: fakedabduction.com Paul: fakedabduction.com, I'll have that in the articles. So
thank you very much for coming on the show and er I'm going wrap things
up over the next ten minutes. Okay. Brian: Okay. Appreciate it Paul: thanks, bye. Paul: So here we have, obviously there's quite a bit of evidence
here that is not being presented or has not come out in the public and
you know, you've gotta...it's just a huge conspiracy and I wonder or not
anything, any foul play took place here. There surely is enough evidence
here for at least an inquest in Great Britain. Er we have the potential
for fraud; we have the potential for erm, all kinds of bad things that
er could be here. I mean, we're talking about er five million dollars
erm, that's been raised for er...or five million pounds, I'm not sure
which one, but er the point is, that's a ton of money er, I think some
people deserve some accountability I mean, what have they done with this
money' Where's it gone' Where did they spend it on' The other question
is, why don' we have statements from the other children or other
witnesses, why haven't they been interviewed' Why has er testimony been
suppressed' The example is the gentleman who saw er reportedly saw erm
the father of er Maddie carrying her around at the time she supposedly
disappeared.
Er, we've got two cadaver dog...er one cadaver sniffing dog that alerted
in the home, we've got one blood sniffing dog that alerted in the home,
we've got er reportedly they detected blood spray pattern that would be
consistent with some type of damage to the larynx or to the throat. Er,
there's just tons of evidence there. And you know, Great Britain is
....[sighs] this is just another connection in the, you know, the big
picture which is..I've been trying to convey on this show which is that
we are...we've been literally taken by these satanic paedophiles and
these people are Satanists. No one that worships God would do these
kinds of things, would be involved in these kind of things er that we're
seeing, what my colleague Greig, like what we're seeing with some of
these other people that are out there and...we need your help. I mean,
there's two petitions right no on my website that I need you to sign er,
one has to deal with Hollie Greig and erm Mr Green, the journalist who
just got gagged by the er sheriff who was one of the alleged abusers and
er, the second one has to deal with editor Joseph Cannon in Utah here in
the United States. Er Mr Cannon sat on a paedophile story er, a leading
republican that just resigned from the Utah state house er, came out and
admitted that he was naked in the hot tub with a 15 year old girl, who
was 15 at the time. We don't know if she was 15 and I don't know if in
fact their relationship started before that. We don't know. All we know
is what they report and that was she was 15 at the time and that this
allegedly happened. This poor girl is being [demonised '] by the Utah
media right now, they're just beating her up because she came forward.
And er, literally she has been successful in ending this er paedophile's
career. We're talking an individual that is in one of the highest
elected offices within the state of Utah.
Now as a Mormon, I can't tell yer how deeply offended I am that er this
is being treated the way it is. You don't go after victims. You don't
persecute people because they tell you er that someone in authority is
doing things that are just egregious and I think this is going to turn
into bad things, other bad things, other bad things are gonna come out
because, you see, once one person has the courage to come out and tell a
story then others will follow.
And already there's reports of another girl in Utah that was also er
involved with this guy. And normally a paedophile will have anywhere
between 30 to 40 victims for every one they get caught with.
Now getting back to Maddie, we have two witnesses that heard her dad,
her father, with another gentleman talking about er sexual relationships
with this little girl. And er, this is just, this is just unbelievable
that this is being suppressed. And this book is probably one of the
things, one of the greatest things this gentleman's done a ton of
research and I really invite you to go through the articles that I'm
going to be publishing over the next couple of days about this and I
want you to take a look at this book, you know, acquiring it er, we need
to support people like this. And er, we also need to support any efforts
to bring justice to our children.
And with that said, erm, I wish you the best my friends. Remember God's
in charge, not these people. These people are evil and evil has its
bounds and limited in what it can do. God doesn't have any limitations.
And just remember that and just keep everybody in your prayers, keep us
in your prayers, keep Brian in your prayers and er, I promise you I'll
do the same and with God's help we will not only expose these
individuals but we'll drive them back into the darkness where they
belong.
Today I
was given the opportunity to ask Steve some direct questions concerning
his new book. With reconciliation and explanation very much in mind he
gave me this interview which I now publish.
1.
What made you write the book'
The forums debating Madeleine's disappearance had dwindled in terms of
numbers of those seriously interested in
Madeleine's demise. More blogs
were springing up to debate the debaters rather than the actual case. I
had always been interested in the forensic aspects of the case and
tussling with those more interested in forum disruption did not interest
me at all. After I called it a day in the forums I thought I'd
concentrate on writing a book. Around that time (September/October),
Amaral's book was in limbo and I had exhausted negotiations on
publishing that book in English out here in the USA. The publisher
appeared to dawdle too long and we all know what happened after that.
The prospect of publishing an English "Truth of the Lie" in the USA was
all but gone. Faked Abduction was an idea that grew out of the prospect
of there being no English book that would tell the story from an
unbiased and propaganda free platform. With no "Truth of the Lie" in
English it seemed the logical thing to do.
2.
Why the long delay' Wasn't it supposed to come out in January'
Initially, my research said that most paperbacks of this type were
typically in the region of 300-320 pages.
Amaral's book
was quite a
"thin" 200 or so pages. I wanted more information than his book because
a lot of time had passed since his book came out in the summer of 2008.
We knew more information than Goncalo was able to put in his book and so
I knew 300 or so pages would be more appropriate. Then with Christmas
looming, it is always a good idea to try to release a product in advance
of that season. However, the pressure of writing it to reach a seasonal
deadline was crazy. I wanted a decent product, not a rush job. January
seemed a better prospect but then a few other technical and logistical
problems came up. The book-cover is a deep blue and was something I
designed as an RGB image. Converting to CMYK for a printer meant those
nice blue tones were lost. Anyone in the print industry would know that
blue is a nightmare to deal with but all my graphic work is online so I
didn't know this was a problem until late in the day. I eventually
sorted this out and in the midst of it all, we had the Amaral trial
in
Lisbon. It seemed silly to not mention the outcome of this in the book
so this was another reason to hold off for a few weeks. Also, like
Amaral, I am subject to an illegal injunction in a lawsuit here in the
USA. That was another distraction.
3.
Why are some saying you plagiarised
Amaral's book'
I
have no idea. It would seem that the instigator of this was one Mr. Tony
Bennett. In his February Madeleine Foundation newsletter, he recommended
that nobody should buy Faked Abduction because he "learned" that it was
a double-plagiarism of a work by a blogger called Anna (whatever a
double-plagiarism means!). As nobody knew what my book was about, it is
remarkable that Mr. Bennett, Antonella Lazzeri (writing in the Sun) and
Clarence Mitchell all seemed to know its content before it was released.
Mitchell we already know about but why the Madeleine Foundation
circulated erroneous information and a recommendation not to buy it is
something people should be asking them. This was a scurrilous and
unfounded attack and probably stems from an aborted business deal I had
proposed to Mr. Bennett in 2009 when I explored printing his 60-Reasons
book in the USA where he wanted a 20% royalty paid directly to him
instead of the Madeleine Foundation.
4.
How did you choose what to put in and what to leave out'
This was tricky. In the end, my 320 pages were exceeded by over 300 more
pages. I ended up removing 4 chapters consisting of 90 pages only days
before printing and it ended up at 526 pages. I had to include the two
well known controversies - Majorca 2005 and
Mrs. Fenn's testimony - but
also the foundation story of the abduction itself; the flawed jemmied
shutter story. The dog evidence was also necessary but there are no
references to "noise" - the sightings and other distractions that led
the police on wild goose chases. The five photographs was always a big
talking point and in terms of the
Last Photo,
I used some new software
to analyse the image and the controversial findings are in the book.
There are numerous references to many facts in the case but they are
introduced as and when they needed to be cross referenced by other
topics. There is a lot of indexing within the book and this took
considerable time in the preparation of the final draft. Writing is one
thing but styling and completing a book is a time consuming job.
5.
What are you hoping for the book'
A
lot of bloggers and serious forum posters have invested a lot of time
and effort in this case because we have all showed concerns for justice
in the past three years. I recognise them in the book and take my hat
off to all the hours they have contributed to the cause. Without such
great amateur support we would not be where we are today and the case
would have melted away. We have all felt at times that the answer was
just round the corner but it never has been. The massive smoke screen of
propaganda has literally brainwashed a nation and had this case been in
pre-Internet times, it would have faded away within weeks and been
effectively covered up with hardly anyone batting an eyelid. The book is
my own little contribution to justice and truth for Madeleine. I respect
all the others out there doing their own bit in their own way and long
may it continue. The repository websites...Pamalam's, McCannFiles, Joana
Morais' blog etc. - they all get a mention and if the book can drive
more traffic to them and interest a whole new set of people in reading
about the case then great. Personally I think the Madeleine coverage on
the Internet is analogous to Operation Desert Storm and its aerial
bombardment campaign. As we saw in that military battle, Desert Storm
eventually had to be conquered by troops on the ground to win the war
and in this respect I think a book can do a job that the Internet
cannot. Many people still want to read about this case in book form
because they don't have time to sit in front of a computer for hours. As
the first English book to properly question the abduction, I hope it
revitalises interest in this massive government cover up.
6.
Will there be any translations'
There are some people assisting or that have offered assistance with
translations to Portuguese, German, Dutch and French. It would be nice
to have those books printed locally in Europe to lower postage costs but
they may have to be printed here in their respective languages. It
depends on the amount of interest. I know
Amaral's book sold well in
Portugal and France but it didn't do much in Germany. It is always
difficult to know how many books to print but there is scope to do all
those four languages just mentioned.
7.
Do you think the case will ever be solved'
I
think the Madeleine case has the same chance of being solved as Dr.
Kelly's murder and the real perpetrators of Omagh being brought to
justice. In other words, very little chance. The corrupt nature of the
British Establishment cover up is not something that is going to alter
overnight because it is endemic. One has only to look at the Hollie
Greig case to see how insidious these elite people are who cover their
criminal tracks. I think the best thing we can hope for is to alert the
general populace to the reality of the situation and try and undo a lot
of the brainwashing - done so effectively by state owned or state
manipulated press and media. As long as Joe Public believes the Team
McCann propaganda it will be difficult to make a breakthrough. It really
is a concern that Totalitarian Britain is now well on the way to being a
Marxist regime and I'm sure we'll see a few more auto-erotic
asphyxiations (a trademark MI5/MI6 assassination technique). It is quite
alarming that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have both been accused by many
of being paedophiles and yet neither have taken action to sue the
accusers. One thing is certain: It is way past the time that that those
Scottish paedophile allegations were dealt with properly once and for
all. Blair, Brown Lord Robertson, Elish Angiolini, Sheriff Buchanan et
al need to front up to some serious allegations.
The
Book Contents
Here is the chapter listing:
British Establishment Cover-ups
Maddie: A Name the Media Invented
The
Police Conclusions
How
the Story Unfolded
Experts in Propaganda
The
Locations and People
A
Neighbor Hears Crying
An
Obsession with Lawyers
The
Five Photographs
Payne
& McCann Allegations
Dogs
Don't Lie
The
Weekend of June 9 ' 10
McCanns on the Oprah Show
Letter to the Madeleine Fund
Gerry's Blogs and Kate's Diary
The
Official Fund
The
Arguido Interviews
Dealing with a Corpse
Flaws
in Goncalo Amaral's thesis
Interesting Details from the Files
The
Author's Conclusions
APPENDICES
Appendix A: Timeline 2007-2010
Appendix B: Timeline May 3, 2007
Appendix C: Tavares Almeida's Report
Appendix D: Mark Harrison's Report
Appendix E: Martin Grime's Profile
Appendix F: Documentaries & Interviews
Appendix G: Kate Healy's Bible
Appendix H: Justice Hogg's Judgment
A few book Highlights:
Copious footnotes and cross references to verify sources
Correspondence from Peter McCann of Castle Craig about his
relationship with Gerry McCann
The
statements deliberately held back from the Portuguese police by
Leicester Constabulary
The
blatant discrepancies in the
Tapas Nine witness statements
