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Series of Programs speaking about Maddie case from Spanish Las Mananas de Cuatro

Original Source:  Las Mananas de Cuatro : THURSDAY 29 MAY 2010

With thanks to Mercedes For translation

Monday 03 may 2010 "Las Mananas de Cuatro" will start a series of programs speaking about Maddie's case.
They have done an interview with the McCann's and will have several guests commenting the case.


Press release

"There she was curled up against me. Then she took my engagement ring... She used to do this many times and put it... She put it as we read the story.... She is wonderful, what I can say. "


So Kate McCann recalls the last moments spent with her daughter. Next Monday marks the third anniversary of the disappearance of Madeleine. Three years in which her parents have not stopped looking for her.


Las Mananas de Cuatro celebrates its 750 programs on the air with an exclusive worldwide interest. Concha Garcia Campoy has gone to Rothley (England) to interview the McCanns and know how is their day to day without Maddie.


Kate and Gerry have responded, without censorship, to all our questions. They talk about the doubts that still surround the case and their relationship with Goncalo Amaral, the Portuguese police who was in charge of the research who has always considered them suspects.


"In my mind it is very clear that a man took Madeleine and we have to find him to know where my daughter is. That the police don't search for that man but suspect me and Gerry ... That hurts me. "


Kate and Gerry McCann tell us each point of their version of what happened that night. They categorically denied they had medicated children ("It's a shame that this was published. It has no basis. Its a lie") although they admit they could have made a mistake leaving them alone to go to dinner with a group of friends.


"The guilt will never leave us, we made a mistake and we repeated it several nights in a row ... We never thought our children were in danger."


They say that the have never hidden to Sean and Amelie, Maddies brother and sister; what happened.


"A psychologist told us to answer honestly all their questions ... We explained them about the kidnapping, saying that if we want something we should not take it if it belongs to others. And they understood it. As a robbery. "


Three years after the disappearance of Madeleine, the McCanns do not give up. They say they will continue to fight "the time it takes." Currently, they are intending that the British police reopen the investigation.


We celebrate 750 mornings together ... with new and interesting stories.



 Las Mananas de Cuatro  3 years without Madeleine McCann   Tuesday 



With thanks to Mercedes for transcript


Concha Garcia Campoy: The McCanns answer for Las Mananas de Cuatro the most controversial issues, the suspicion falling on them. 


CGC: They were accused of having drugged their children 

Kate McCann: It's a shame that such information has been published without any basis; it's a lie, what more can I say?

CGC: They were accused of being responsible for the disappearance of Madeleine 

Gerry McCann: The way the leaking of the accusations was handled, the lies that the media turned to give an impression that we were guilty, the disappearance of our daughter, was especially difficult. 

CGC: They were accused of withholding evidence. The McCanns show their faces and respond to all these accusations in Las Mananas de Cuatro.

Indeed, today we ask the most controversial questions, the most difficult ones. The answers here in ?Las Mananas de Cuatro?. 

Jerome Boloix is here at this table and Alfonso Egea, good morning. Next we are going to show the interview that the McCanns have given us, with the most controversial questions, with the doubts that haven't been disclosed yet; we will raise them first, are these: 

Voiceover: Today, in our program, the McCanns answer all the doubts that have surrounded the case since Madeleine's disappearance, and which point to them as suspects. Case managers in Portugal claim that there is no evidence that the child has been abducted, as argued by the McCanns.

Goncalo Amaral (file image): The main hypothesis is that it was a domestic accident. She was a light sleeper, sedated or not by her parents, woke up, she tried to reach the window and fell off the couch killing herself. 

CGC: I was very impressed that it was said at some point they had drugged the children... 

Paulo Sargento: Their interpretation is contrary to the death although there is evidence, cadaver odour, the smell of human blood and there is a set of forensic evidence that indicates, unfortunately, that the child is dead. 


Voiceover: Goncalo Amaral claims that there are witnesses who saw Gerry McCann carrying a child's body the night of Madeleine's disappearance.

GA (image file): An Irish family met with a man that was carrying a child's body in his arms. When they saw Gerry coming off the plane also with his child, said they were sure, to eighty percent, it was the same man they had seen just after Madeleine's disappearance. 

Voiceover: There are also other questions, alleged pressure from the British Embassy to defend the abduction thesis, contradictions in the McCanns and their friends statements about what happened that night and even basic elements in any research that that even weren't done. 

GA (image file): Here there are many things left to do, if the McCann couple have so much desire to reopen the investigation, they can start with the reconstruction, they can do it both alone, it would be very very interesting. 

CGC: Do you want the reopening of the investigation of your daughter's case, of Madeleine?s case? 

Voiceover: According to some members of the investigation, the McCanns are not in prison because of their political contacts 

Voiceover (Paulo Sargento): I'm sure that if it were a Portuguese couple there would have been a different treatment and forensic evidence would have been formed as evidence and probably, probably, the couple would be in prison.

CGC: There was some evidence gathered in the apartment, also in the car you had rented, do you know something about the results of these tests? 

Voiceover: Now for the first time the McCanns show their faces and face all these accusations

CGC: Come at once to hear the McCann's answers to these questions, but in fact the Portuguese investigation, Goncalo Amaral speak about forensic evidence, about evidence that they are hiding something, is it so clear? 


Jerome Boloix: Let's see, there is evidence, because the dogs that went over there, which belong to the English police and not to the Portuguese police, detected without any doubt corpse odour and also the scent of human blood in certain places, behind the sofa, in the McCann's closet and in the car they rented 25 days later. The samples that were collected are analyzed in the Birmingham's laboratory and they replied that after analyzing the DNA from the blood that was collected there, that has to have 19 alleles, let's say 19 meters, 15 of them, 15, have a complete correspondence with Madeleine, without any doubt.

Alfonso Egea: This is irrefutable, it's objective science, and we're tired of saying it, now I want to invite people to think with common sense, Madeleine McCann's mother washed a cuddly toy that was a crucial evidence, she never explained why. Madeleine McCann's mother and father were called for a reconstruction, that is the most normal thing in the world, to see what had happened that night, nothing more, but they never wanted to do it. Portuguese police goes a step further and say, okay, we cannot prove their guilt but let's use the figure of arguido, we are going to constitute them official suspects. What did Kate and Gerry McCann do immediately after leaving the police station? Leave the country, go back to England. All this, I want people to understand it, it's not about saying that they are bad guys, that they are guilty, no, but everything that this couple does is discordant with what any other parent in a similar situation would do, nothing more than that.

CGC: Now let's see the concrete answers but Jose really as forensics, forensic evidence as one part of the Portuguese police say, not all, but an important part of those who led the research, do they exist?

Jose Cabrera: Objective and conclusive forensic evidence, really as such at 100 percent don't exist, because otherwise the judicial process would have advanced. What happens is that in the absence of a body ... DNA is an 80 percent, they say dogs can do mistakes about body odour... 

Cristina Fernandez: We also don't have Marta del Castillo's body and we have two people in prison, then in the absence of bodies are not always... but if the prosecutor, I'm reading, you have all the documentation in the world but I understand, as someone with no expertise, that if there is evidence, DNA, scent of corpse, evidence against the parents, witnesses contradictions, these Messrs. should have been charged. 

CGC: Let's leave these questions for now because they will receive responses from the McCann's and we will analyze them here. 

Replay Promo... 

CGC: I'm still here at the table with Jeronimo Boloix, Cristina Fernandez, Alfonso Egea, Jose Cabrera. Indeed, we have asked some of the most controversial questions to the McCanns, this is their most sincere interview.

Sign in video interview 

CGC: I'd like to ask two or three questions about the doubts raised during the investigation, I understand that it's a bit painful, it's said that you haven't collaborated in the reconstruction of the facts, neither your friends. 

Gerry McCann: Especially some of our friends, if we analyze the way they were treated, they thought that this reconstruction was not going to help find Madeleine. No one wanted to do anything and amongst our friends there were who thought it was going to be a complete media circus.

Kate McCann: No one asked about the possibility of doing a reconstruction with actors. In the UK there is a program called Crime Watch, which uses actors to reconstruct crimes because it's harmful to ask people who have gone through a so traumatic experience to re-live it.

CGC: Some evidence were gathered in the apartment, also in the car you rented, do you know the results of the tests?

GM: The essential is that they prove nothing, there are elements of DNA that the forensic experts said were from five different people. The forensics? report was absolutely clear, he said that none of these samples was evidence of nothing, it was said there was blood but not identified (Gerry scratches head) 

CGC: Why do you think that the former head of the investigation, Goncalo Amaral, wants to prove that you are guilty? 

GM: (Turning his hand over his head) To be honest I don't really want to talk about this because one can speculate about his motives, but the important thing is that there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead and that we were involved. What Amaral said and his career speaks for itself. 

End video

: These are some of the most remarkable questions, what do you think? Perhaps the part of the reconstruction... Why don't they want to do the reconstruction? It particularly struck me as one of the weakest parts; I think that at some point you have to be there, right? Even though there is a media circus that nobody has started. 

JB: No, no. Yes, the parents started it, they stared it. This is a media and global disappearance because the parents, from the outset when the girl disappeared, allegedly, the first call they made was to Sky News not to the police. From there on we all know what... 

CGC: They say that is not true. 

JB: It's true because there is a call log. But let's analyze the issue of the reconstruction. The issue of reconstruction when there are certain witnesses who did not coincide on the narrative of events, it is absolutely necessary to do it because the police and the judges will know on the spot what each one has done and they will also relate to them. It is absolutely impossible to do this with actors, these Messrs don't have clear that this is a police and judicial investigation, not a media issue, they say there's a TV show, well, they can do all the television they want.  
The police needs to do this to find evidence that some of the witnesses are lying and on the other hand, just to finish, it is striking that they have refused and their friends have refused, but they did participate in a reconstruction made for a TV documentary, they did participate in that one. 

CGC: Cannot a court order be made compelling their friends and them to participate in that reconstruction in situ? 

JC: If the reconstruction is ordered by a judge it?s mandatory. What happens here is that they are English in another country that is not their country and in this case the judge felt the vest before forcing them.

CF: I want to ask something else, like you see flaws in the part of the reconstruction, don?t you also see flaws in the police operation? That is, you are saying that at first they refused to do the reconstruction, and as you say at that time would have been better, weren?t there also failures when the police arrive at the apartment...? 

AE: Hardly any police investigation, and that Jeronimo can attest, have a good start. I mean, you have to open the entire range of possibilities and among all the possibilities you have... 

CF: Yes, but did they do it right or was it wrong done? 

AE and JB: They did everything that had to be done... 

CF: So OK to the Portuguese police 


JB: We also have to add a rider. After 24 hours of disappearance of the girl, the English police arrive to Portugal, since then absolutely, absolutely until they (the McCanns) leave and literally flee from Portugal...

CGC: Just a moment Jeronimo, because they also told us, they told us many things because it was a lengthy interview, that it took them (the police) 50 minutes to arrive. 

JB: It is possible, I have this data, it may have taken them 50 minutes to arrive. In those 50 minutes I guess that in absence of the police, they and their friends began to look for the girl, but nobody went looking for the girl, they all sat in the living room and on bed where the girl was allegedly sleeping waiting for the police to arrive. Let's put ourselves in a situation, if someone arrives to the apartment and find's their daughter missing, they start looking for her like a madman, shouting so everyone comes to look. But on the other hand, I would like to continue underpinning that, after 24 hours the British police arrive and someone from the first instance until the last moment the Portuguese police and British police acted/worked jointly in the investigation of this case. 

AE: Let's see, talking about the police taking 50 minutes to arrive, is an issue that in this particular case is not as relevant as it may seem, the actions are carried out as in any other case. To me there is something else that catches my attention watching the interview, I see a total change of registration as to gestures, tones and words they use, did you sense a change at the moment you said, be careful, I'm going on with hard questions? 

CGC: Yes, and I warned them, normally in the interviews we don't warn when we are going to launch the gun question, but in this case, obviously, I feared that they got up from the chair because there are precedents, that's why I warned them, I'm going to ask these questions, I warn you, I warned them only for healing and health and this was they manner to get them responding it all. I would like us to see more of that interview because they insist very insistently on the theory of abduction, they "deny the greatest" (Item: Game of the Mus) about the Portuguese police thesis. 

Sign in video interview 

CGC: Do you want to reopen the investigation into the case of your daughter Madeleine?

KM: There is a missing child. This case is not closed, is like saying bad luck, we haven?t found her, it is necessary to revise all information.

GM: I just think that this is unacceptable, that the parents of a girl have to drive the investigation. 

CGC: I was very impressed at some point it was said that you came to drug the children; I suppose it is the most serious allegations made to you.

KM: Well, again that's a total lie, errr is a shame it was published. You have to keep in mind that this has no basis; it?s all a lie, what more can I say?

GM: There were things said, that were published and clearly some things were invented, other people who have gone through similar tragedies and are exposed to the media have gone through similar things. Before, Journalism had credibility, but now they seek quick profits, no matter how damaging it is to people.

CGC: This is a question for both but especially for Kate, the Portuguese police interrogations, have they been particularly hard? 

The questionings are one of those situations that I never believed we do ever been in. A man has taken Madeleine and we have to find him to find Madeleine and the fact that the police is not looking for that man but suspecting me and Gerry, well, that hurts me (Video Madeleine images)

GM: Identifying that person is the first stage, whoever took Madeleine is still out there, then other children are at risk. How can we participate in her "kidnapping"? We had no vehicle or anything. The leeks media and lies put out there to try to give an image that we were guilty was particularly hard, but not as difficult as the night we found her. 

End video 

CGC: Well, these are testimonies that cause a different reaction in each other. What do you think? 

AE: Very good everything they've said. In first place, reassure the public, the alleged kidnapper of Madeleine McCann has had three years of inactivity, he has not kidnapped anyone else despite Gerry McCann's claims that there is a man without putting any evidence on the table.  

There is one fact I think that sometimes has been magnified by the word that is used, drugged, is not the same to drug than to give medication to a child, Kate McCann forgets she stated to Portuguese police that that night... was your daughter being treated? ?Yes, I gave her some painkillers, she has a very light sleep is a very hyper child? and all who have children and grandchildren know that there are certain medicines for children, it?s all right, you take them in a bag and give them to the kid. That's what the police really wanted to say, beware that this may have been the cause off... She converts it in a ?they accuse me of drugging my daughter; I am not a black widow?. Nobody thinks on that scenario, which is also evident.

CGC: Jose, I'm very interested in your opinion. 

JC: It's exactly as Alfonso is saying, it's incredible, we can mourn with them, what may what you want, we may be sceptical, we may not, but the are both doctors, they said in their statements, I read them, I was in Lisbon 10 days after all happened because I was called to go to the Portuguese TV, in fact, Portuguese police cowered, that to say, the entire government Portuguese cowered because there are 400,000 English living in Portugal, that is very important, then of course, what happens here? Must we believe them or not? It's not about believing them or not, it's about what they say isn't consistent with what the police investigated. It's not consistent.

JB: It should also be noted that the start of the investigation is about an abduction, immediately after the alarm about the disappearance of Madeleine was raised police began to investigate and arrested Robert Murat, more than 100 English settlers paedophiles in the Algarve are investigated and for three months they only and exclusively follow the path of kidnapping. Until three months later, with the help of British police and also an absolutely essential element here is Mark Harrison, the head of the National Centre for Missing and Child Abuse from United Kingdom who went there, made with Portuguese police a review of the investigation and the English police issued a report that said ?you have to change the line of research, that Madeleine may be dead and the parents must be investigated summing up the issue  he says: ?This measure seems to be a proportionate and appropriate response to the investigation?.

CGC: Well a lot of attention because tomorrow we have more data. It really has been a very thorough interview and there are very important issues that will continue. Tomorrow we will continue discussing. Thanks? Jerome, Cristina, Jose, Alfonso.


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