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Madeleine Was Here: Cutting edge Show
Thursday 07 May 2009

HOMEPAGE TRANSCRIPTS

PHOTO GALLERY INDEX

NEWS MAY 2009
BLOG DAY 736 RECONSTRUCTIONS RELIGIOUS CONNECTIONS TELEGRAPH-03-05-09
 

1-WITNESS VIDEO CLIP ALLEGEDLY JENI WEINBERGER

2-WITNESS VIDEO CLIP  ALLEGEDLY TASMIN  SILLENCE

3-WITNESS VIDEO CLIP  ALLEGEDLY DEREK FLACK

4-WITNESS VIDEO CLIP  JANE TANNER

5-WITNESS VIDEO CLIP  ALLEGEDLY THE SMITH FAMILY

APPENDICES VI VOLUMES 1-5

TIMELINE

THE MAKING OF CUTTING EDGE IN PORTUGAL

 
 
 
 
 

Susan Hubbard wife of Rev Hubbard on location for cutting edge 06.April 2009

 Susan Hubbard for cutting edge April 2009

Lisa Donovan. American actress who plays Kate

 

 

 

 

 

Arthur Cowley and Dave Edgar have reviewed 30,000 files released by the Portuguese authorities
and think they uncovered vital new evidence
Photo: (PA: Channel 4 Television)

 

Transcript - Cutting Edge  Thanks to Mitts

First Section

Because of the length of this, Iíll need to split it up and post it in sections. I donít want it all to disappear, before I hit the ďsubmitĒ button.

I have used abbreviations for everyoneís name.

I have not included a transcription of the interaction with the children. Itís so obviously staged. If anyone particularly wants those bits, then PM me and Iíll send them. Also, I have not included the excerpt from the Oprah show. (Stevo, kindly did a full transcript of this)


K: I did my check about 10.00 Ďclock and went in through the sliding patio doors and I just stood, actually and I thought, oh, all quiet, and to be honest, I might have been tempted to turn round then, but I just noticed that the door, the bedroom door where the three children were sleeping, was open much further than weíd left it. I went to close it to about here and then as I got to here, it suddenly slammed and then as I opened it, it was then that I just thought, Iíll just look at the children and I could see S and A in the cot and then I was looking at Mís bed which was here and it was dark and I was looking and I was thinking, is that M or is that the bedding. and I couldnít quite make her out. It sounds really stupid now, but at the time, I was thinking I didnít want to put the light on cos I didnít wanna wake them and literally, as I went back in, the curtains of the bedroom which were drawn,Ö were closed, Ö whoosh Ö It was like a gust of wind, kinda, just blew them open and cuddle cat was still there and her pink blanket was still there and then I knew straight away that she had, er, been taken, you know.

Voice over: Itís now 2 years since MM was abducted while on holiday in Portugal. Her parents, K&G live near L with Mís brother and sister, four year old twins, S&A.

G: We are a family, and weíre a happy family, but we are not a complete family.

KM: I think weíre far from normality. Weíre far from normality but weíre closer than we were.

K is painting the names of the three children.
She asks the children what is the name of their sister. One of the children says the full name and the other child says the shortened version.

K: I honestly believe theyíre expecting her to come home, you know, one day soon. They are very much, well, when Madeleine comes back, weíll share our toys and, you know, A is wearing Madeleineís shoes. Sheíll say well these shoes wonít fit M, now, so weíll have to take her and get her a bigger pair of shoes when she gets home. You know.

Voice over: K has given up her work as a GP and now stays at home with the twins.

K: A lot of the places that I go now ,I used to go with Madeleine as well, so thereís little things that trigger, (mumble) like on the farm where we go quite a lot. You know, I can see Madeleine swinging on the rope in the hayloft. She was great, she was only three and sheíd be like, you know, swinging backwards and forwards, you know. I can see her in the little, sort of, gypsy wagon that they had, asking me to come in and thatís hard. You get memories and reality hits in again.

Itís like kinda, of, um, tangible void, really.

Voice over: G has returned to work at GH, where he is a consultant cardiologist.

G: Given the indefinite nature of what we are going through, you have to, at some point, say, Iím going to go back.

Voice of Interviewer: Do you think you have both healed a bit.

G: Healed is a diffiÖadapted, I think, is probably the right word. Thereís still, thereís a scar, a deep, deep scar there, thatís, kinda, knitted at the minute but you still think it might break or come loose and stitches (mumble) But, it is, er, definitely an erÖ adaptation. I think.

G: Thereíll always be a hope, you know, weíre living with this carrot, that potentially she could come back and I think, that makes it more painful, that you donít know and that sheís, sheís, sheís out there and separated from you Itís less raw, erm, less painful on a day to day basis, erm, but, itís still pretty painful. (Sighs) Erm, itís different.

Voice over: The second anniversary of Mís disappearance is approaching. K&G want to use the media attention to keep the search in the publicís mind.

K: (in their study). It almost feels like the last, I guess, media opportunity. We really need to think about that, to get the right message out.

Voice over: (very briefly, showing part of fm (download poster page ). The Mís are organising a series of events aimed at prompting fresh evidence, including a difficult trip back to the holiday resort.

Voice over continues: A national TV appearance in the States and perhaps, most crucially a visit to the worldís leading child recovery expert. (shows E A). EA says we truly believe (shows the picture) this is what MM looks like today. Shows new image.

G: Sheís either out there or sheís not and thereís nothing to say that sheís not out there alive. So itís simple, sheís out there until proven otherwise.

Voice of Interviewer: Who actually is looking for M at the moment?

G: Er, hopefully, lots of people, er, in the general population, but in terms of an investigative strategy, then thereís no law enforcement agency that is proactively doing anything. Itís pretty amazing really. Er, when you think about, itís a very serious crime and, erm, weíve got to do it.

G: Weíre not out making a fuss for the sake of it or to say, things were done badly or could have been done better. Thatís not what weíre interested in. Weíre not interested in looking back. What we want to do is look forward.

Voice over: But there are two men still looking for Madeleine, ex-Detective Inspector DE is the senior Investigating Officer. He works alongside former Detective Sargeant A C. Both are now employed by the fm fund.

AC: Ögiven a really good description and what Iíve done is, Iíve made arrangements to go and see him on Tuesday morning.

DE: Iíve inherited an investigation which is 18 monthsí old. Itís a massive investigation.

AC: For me, itís quite simple, whether it be a high profile murder or any investigation. Itís a jigsaw puzzle and itís just the case of putting little pieces in and thatís what weíre doing. You start at the beginning, you do the basics right and everything else comes together. and thatís what, we, hopefully, weíve done.

DE: One of the hypothesis would be, that itís the parents that have done it, and it goes without saying, thatís looked at and Iím sure K&G understand that. If, we had any evidence that K&G were involved, we would hand it over to the authorities.

Voice of Interviewer:: and did you find anything?

DE: No, nothing, not a shred of evidence that they were involved.

AC: When I had the interview for the job, I made it quite clear that I would only take the job, if it was an independent investigation and if thereís evidence against anybody, no matter who it is, that we give that evidence to the police.

Voice of interviewer: Do you work with different theories about what happened? Can you say what you think happened?

DE: Well, the abduction theory is the main one that weíre focusing on. If a stranger kills a child or anyone for that matter, they almost, almost always dump the body within a very close proximity of the crime scene. Now this particular area around PdL has been systematically searched. The search was started on the night and continued for weeks and weeks and no bodyís been found, so that gives me hope.

Voice of Interviewer: What about if it was dumped in the sea? I mean thatís what most Ö.

DE: Thatís always possible of course. But, again, the sea quite often, you know, gives up the bodies. But no bodies have been found. So, I think that abduction is the most likely motive. Most likely done by an individual on their own. Most likely, an individual who has close links with PdL, which is why we focused all our efforts really, or most of our efforts, certainly on PdL.

Voice over: Out of the hundreds of witnesses who came forward, only a handful are from the local Portuguese community. These are the people the investigators want to hear from so they plan to return to PdL and reconstruct key events surrounding Mís disappearance. Hoping to provoke a response.

K: They used to come and just sit and get a haircut. (laughs). Seems hard to believe itís actually busier now then it was a year ago.

Voice of Interviewer:: Has the balance changed, because youíre not working in paid work. Youíve worked for most of your adult life.

K: Women adore cooking and washing, anyway donít they? (laughs)

Voice of Interviewer: So, yes, that hasnít changed?

K: I donít think so. Itís funny, cos, you know, going back a few years, if I hadnít been in paid work, Iíd have probably felt, a bit guilty. But, now, what Iím doing is the most important job that Iíll every have to do and I think my work is incredibly valuable.

Voice over: When the Portuguese police shelved the case last summer, they released 30,000 case files, K has spent the last six months going through every document.

K: The vast bulk of it was in Portuguese. So, we then, had to get it all translated, which probably cost us about £100,000. I donít believe anybodyís got the motivation that I have and I was desperate to go through this myself, because I knew that Iíd be going through it with a fine toothcomb and I have spent months and months and months and months going through it, evenings, weekends. You know, you wanna go through it really, really quickly because I wanted to get all the information I can and know what I can do, to help find her, as quickly as possible. So, obviously, I just worked really hard, just to get through it. Often, you know, police do say the nameís in the files. It was always there, but you just need other bits of information, really, to come in to basically highlight the name. At the moment, there isnít a big arrow and an astrix (sic) by the name.

Voice over: The most likely sighting of M and her abductor was by JT, a friend of the Mcís. In the files, K believes another witness statement from an Irish family, describes a very similar sighting to JTís. Less than a mile from the Mcís apartment.

K: The reason why this is significant is, both sightings were given independently. So, when this family gave their statement they werenít aware of J(T)ís description and thereís actually quite a lot of similarities and it does beg the question, I mean, how many people carry their children on a cold night, not covered, you know. Nothing on their arms, or their feet, no blanket. Now, either thereís been two people carrying children that way, who havenít come forward to eliminate themselves or potentially theyíre related.

Voice of Interviewer: But, you think that child is M?

K: I think itís a good chance it could be M. Certainly, the description there, sounds to me, like M.

Voice over: K and the fm campaign co-ordinator travel to the search teamís offices. They want to discuss the details of the upcoming reconstructions and three potentially key witness statements, that all tell of a man hanging around the Mcís apartment in the days leading up to May 3 2007.

DE: The most important one, apart, obviously, from Jane, is sighting No. 3, the man in the alleyway at the back of the apartment. No.3 is definitely a very important sighting cos it links them.

Voice over: The investigators have examined the statements from the three different witnesses and are now convinced that prior to Mís abduction, the Mcís were being watched. The team hope this new information will give them the breakthrough they need.

DE: Youíd think, itís gotta be the same person, wouldnít you, really?

AC: and all three say he was watching the apartment.

DE: Weíre here to discuss the pending reconstruction that we want done.

K: So, basically, it looks like weíve got five sightings, really. Two, a man with a child and three, just a suspicious individual.

DE: Yeah

K: and three, the three with the suspicious, suspicious, of the suspicious (she seems to have developed a stutter) individual, kinda, tie in together.

DE: They all tie in together.

Fm campaign co-ordinator: Theyíre all at similar times and place.

DE: Thereís three in exactly the same location. I donít know what the Portuguese authorities have done to actually eliminate these people from the enquiry. So, weíve gotta presume that they havenít done it and go with that. So, itís just important, that we actually, we are accurate in what we know and make sure that thatís what weíre going with. No speculation. Itís gotta be the facts that we know and not try to fill in the gaps that we donít know.

K: I mean, Iíd like to go back, but not for this, to be honest. Itís kinda, just below the surface and I just, you know, Iíd be scared, I think, you know, to sort of open it open it up again, really, so. yeah. I think, itís actually going through the scenario of that night, as well, you know. Erm, I mean, you know, even what I can remember of the night, you know. Seeing G, erm, that distraught, really, sobbing and on the floor. I mean, I suppose Iím concerned that that will, er, surface again.

Voice over: K calls key witness JT, who has agreed to join G and the investigators in PdL for the reconstructions.

Scene: K talking on the phone to JT

K: ďOh, ok, pretty busy, (she laughs). Although, itís quite good to be honest to be doing stuff and focused and it just sort of helps, you know, to be doing something positive thing. How you feeling about the weekend? I mean, Iím really nervous and Iím not going (laughs). Thank you very much by the way. No, I know, I know itís a big step, but we appreciate it anyway so, thank you.

K: Er, sheís trying not to think about it. She just said, erm, apart from the obvious emotional concern, sheís worried about the reaction of people locally.

Voice over: Returning will be controversial. PdL was a popular family holiday resort, but things havenít been the same since Mís abduction.

K: You know, we are aware that, unfortunately, erm, this has all been a headache really for people whose businesses are out there, their livelihoods, you know. Itís a negative, a childís been abducted from that area and I guess in the ideal world, it would all go away, you know, everybody could move on with their lives and, but, you know, our little girl is still missing so Ö

K: I think regardless of what anybody thinks of me and G, and Iím a bit past caring now, really. But, you know, I think, people do feel for M and thatís the most important thing and they want M to be found and they want M to be well. There has been a question as to why now and Iíd simply say, well M is still missing. Why not, now? You know.

Voice of Interviewer: Do you feel thereís a lot riding on this weekend?

K: I do, yeah, and Iím nervous. Iím nervous because I realise how important this is to do really. To get that bit of key information, Iím nervous that itíll Ö all could get sabotaged or it could all go very wrong. Obviously, I donít want that because itís so important.

G: We are desperate for this to be successful and to be done and hopefully it might be one call, t might be 10 calls, but thatís all itíll take, it could be just one piece of information.

DE: The offence was committed in PdL, thatís a simple fact. So, you donít start an investigation in, er, Morocco or Spain or even Lisbon. This eventís happened in PdL. Itís a very self-contained resort and thatís where I think the answer is.

Voice over: D E is leading the search for MM. Today, heís in PdL, on the Portuguese Algarve, to oversee filming of significant events described in witness statements. Statements, which he believes, strongly suggest that someone was watching the Mc family. He hopes that the reconstructions will lead to the discovering who that someone is.

DE: He may even have been watching the apartment for a week or more. I donít think it was someone random. In my experience random just doesnít happen. Someone just doesnít go in, Ö passerby, and pick up a child and take it. These things are planned.

DE with Pimpleman actor

DE: This, erm, scene. Youíre standing over there and youíre standing at an angle

Action: filming starts

Witness 1: Child and woman walking.

Voice over: Witness No. 1 is a British tourist. She first saw something strange four days before M disappeared.

Sunday, April 29, approx 08.00

Witness 1: I was walking along the road with my daughter, when I saw a man. I grabbed my daughterís hand and pulled her towards me because for some reason, he unnerved me.

Voice over: She saw the same man again. This time close to the Mcís apartment on the day before M went missing

Wednesday 2 May approx 15.00

Witness 1: The next time I saw him, he was standing on the opposite side of the road to the apartment. He appeared to be watching it. He was about 5í10Ē, slim build and wearing casual clothes, jeans, I think. I would describe him as very ugly, pitted skin, with a large nose.

DE talking to a young girl (Witness 3)

DE: Öand as youíre just passing here, this chap will be stood over there. So, if you just, you come up, if you just glance over at him and Ö.

Scene shows Witness 2, Mum, girl and two dogs

Voice over: The second witness is a school girl, who lives near the holiday complex. Three days before M was taken, she was with her mum outside the Mís apartment.

Monday 30 April approx 08.15

Witness 2: I was walking to the school bus stop. I go this way to school every day. As I was walking down the road, near the apartment, I saw a man on the small path behind the block. My grandparents used to live in that apartment. So, I always look at it, as I pass by. The man seemed to be looking at the balcony of the ground floor apartment. He was wearing a black jacket and leaning against the wall.

Voice over: She saw him again, as well, the day before M was taken.

Witness 2: I didnít go to school that day because I had an ear infection. I was walking up the road with my two dogs, when I saw the man. He was standing on the road opposite the OC and he was staring at the apartment.

DE talking to older couple (Witness 3)

DE: You have him coming from your apartment, which is over here, somewhere. You turn the corner and walk down the path.

Lady witness (the couple) (Witness 3): What the two of us?

DE: Yes, the two of you together.

DE: This was actually a sketch that was drawn by the witness at the time and, er, as you can see, heís just stood where we are now. (shows sketch the couple) Make eye contact with him and just walk straight on past.

Voice over: Witness No 3 is a man with his partner from Cheshire. He gave a statement to the police describing a man heíd seen near the apartment.

Witness 3 (Man) I canít remember whether I saw the man on Wednesday 2 or Thursday 3 May (approximately 11.30). But as we walked along the road, I saw a man standing next to the wall by the parking area. On the opposite side of the road was a white van. I paid particular attention to him, because he appeared to be focused on watching the apartment block as I walked past him, I looked at him, and for a split second, we had eye contact but then he just carried on staring at the apartment.

DE: Weíre asking for people to come forward with information. For me, one of the big things in any major crime, the perpetrators always confide in someone else. Theyíve gotta get it off their chest and itís that person, as much as anything, that weíre aiming at. Someone knows something.

Voice over: G is back in PdL. His arrival and the reconstructions are attracting a lot of media attention. But for the people who live here, itís attention they can do without.

G: This is an area that relies strongly on tourism and peopleís livelihoods have been affected and I can totally understand when people are suffering economically, that they get resentful. But, hope they can understand as well, that as parents, we need to find M.

Voice over: The simmering anger is evident. A brand new billboard poster of M with ďHelp meĒ in Portuguese has been splattered with paint and at the holiday complex G can hear the hostility (heckling)

G: No one, even with a heart of stone, can take away that thereís a little girl missing. Why anyone would not want to help find her is a mystery and obviously if we find M, then everyone can move on.

Voice over: He goes back to the Tapas Bar where they ate in the evenings, while the children slept in the apartment.

G: I canít remember exactly where the table was. It was kinda in this bit, so itíd be about around here and I was kinda sitting in this bit and K was here. Well, you could see where the shutters are now and the bit of the hedge, itís grown. It was cut, you know, a couple of feet lower than that.

CONTINUED .......
 
Second Section

Voice over: For the first time in two years, G returns to apartment 5a of the OC.

Voice over: The last place where he saw his daughter, M, asleep in her bed.

G: So, I actually came in and M was just at the top of the bed here, where
Iíd left her lying and the covers were folded down and she had her cuddle cat and blanket, were just by her head Itís terrible because, I , erm, had one of those really proud father moments, where I just thought, you know. I just thought, your absolutely beautiful and I love you and I just paused for a minute and then, I just pulled the door closed again and just to about there and, er, I felt incredibly proud standing there and having, you know, 3 beautiful children.
Thatís the, I think the most ironic thing of the lot, that, that momentary pause I had, at that door, thatís exactly what I felt like. You know, a few minutes before our world was essentially shattered and probably, 3 or 4 minutes before M was taken and we obviously, absolutely, er, whatís the word, persecuted ourselves for not being here and, erm, there is no doubt, that not being here at that moment, erm, increased the risk of it.

Voice over: The Mcís were on holiday with a group of friends. In the evenings, they all ate together and took it in turns to make half-hourly checks on each otherís children. Two of the group, MO and JT, both crucial witnesses, have returned to help DE with the reconstructions. Itís believed that M was taken shortly after her fatherís check at 9 oíclock. In the 45 minutes that followed, there were two significant sightings of a man carrying a young girl. The first was by JT. She was looking in on her sick daughter, when she saw G returning from his check. He was talking to a friend, JW, at the side of the road. However, J(T) and G remember the scene differently.

JT: So, I think you were about here. Cos, I think that you were standing like that and, J(W) was there, with his pram, pointing down that way. Cos, I think if youíd been looking at me, I wouldíve said something, cos I wouldíve said about, cos K had been moaning that youíd been gone a long time watching the football.

G: Iím almost certain that when I came out, I came over and he was here and I was like that. Thatís my memory of it, itís like J(W) is 6í3Ē or something and looking up and then turning in, when I finished. Thatís my memory of it.

JT: Yeah. I mean, well we just ÖÖ.

DE: Itís like I said, there are, you know, inconsistencies, you know, in every major investigation.

JT: Ok, thatís fine.

DE: Obviously, the most important thing is what you saw, Jane. Itís not where G and J(W) were actually stood. Because they didnít obstruct your view of the man. So Ö.

JT: I was walking up here to do the check and probably, as I got to , itís hard to know exactly where, but probably, about here, I saw the man walk across the road there, carrying the child. I just got up and walked out the Tapas bar, past G talking to J(W). Thatís when I saw somebody walk across the top of the road, carrying a child and I think, I did think, oh, thereís somebody taking their child home to bed. But, they didnít look like a standard tourist. This is ridiculous isnít it? It just looks so much like somebody abducting a little girl, when you look at it. It just looks so obvious when you know, you know. Just look at it and you think, why the hell didnít you think there is somebody abducting a child. That was not even a thought, that somebodyís gonna go into an apartment and take a child out. You know, youíre probably the one person that couldíve actually stopped it and you think, oh, what if? Itís that what if? what if?, what if and you can take those what ifs to ad infinitum really.

Voice over: At 9.30 pm, half an hour after Gís check it was MOís turn to look in on all the children. He went into the Mcís apartment, but didnít go into the bedroom and so didnít see if M was missing.

MO: Pretty much from the approach down here, you can see straight into the room. So you can see the cots as you are walking in. So it never really felt like there was any real need to, sort of, go all the way into the room. Erm, you could see both cots and see into them from there. I, sort of, ummed and ahed about the angle and things. All I just know is that I had an unimpeded view and it was just dead quiet, and justÖ why I didnít take those extra couple of steps in

G: Yeah, I mean, I was saying this earlier, that at no point, other than that night, did I go stick my head in. That was the only time, because the door was like that. I mean, I knew how Iíd left it.

MO: Itís more that you know Iíd felt youíd done enough. Youíve been and seen. Itís quiet.

G: Part of the reason we ended up coming through the back was the noise coming through the front door. We didnít want to disturb them. Sigh. Stupid, now, isnít it.

Voice over: It is possible that JT is not the only person who saw M being carried away by the abductor. 40 minutes after J(T)ís sighting and Ĺ mile away from the Mcís apartment a family also saw a man carrying a young girl away from the town. Later the witness thought that this might have been GM. But, this was investigated and ruled out by the Portuguese police.

DE: A man was seen here carrying a child, just before 10 pm on the night M was abducted. When the man saw the family he appeared furtive and veered off to one side and carried on walking. Obviously, anyone carrying a child at night, itís really important. We need to find out who this person was.

Family Witness Statement: I was with my family. Weíd been out for the night and we were walking up the street when I saw a man and he was carrying a child. I thought they were father and daughter, so I wasnít so suspicious. The girl was about 4, she looked like my granddaughter, blonde hair, pale white skin, typically British. The man didnít look like a tourist. I canít explain why. It was, probably, from his clothes.

G: Someone knows the information and someone knows who took M and someone knows where she is. Letís get moving! Letís get the phone ringing.

Voice over: At home K is preparing for the inevitable media attention that will surround the second anniversary of Mís disappearance.

K: ( Showing photo album) well this one. I think is really sweet and itís M just when she arrived home from hospital, erm, to our house. I think she looks quite cute, wrapped up in a little bundle. Sheís got those eyes. I tell you, those eyes that never closed.

For us theyíre not just photos and especially now, not having M in our life, theyíre more than photos and to me, each photo is very special. I mean, itís M and weíve given out so much of our daughter to the world really. You know, you just want to be able to retain some of it.

Voice of Interviewer: Are we allowed to see this one?

K: uh-hum (nods head in agreement)

Voice of Interviewer: Do you still feel her physically, as much as you did?

K: TutÖ well, I know the M that I know, you know. I donít know M at, you know, nearly six. She might look different. She could be speaking a different language (Scene shows her packing for trip to States) She might have her hair different, she might have different interests, but, you know, sheís still our daughter.

G: (holding up a suit). I think thatís pretty business-like isnít it?

K: Yes

G: Right, put that away

Voice over: K&G are preparing for a trip to America that they hope will breathe new life into the search for M. As well as an interview on the OW show, they plan on visiting the worldís leading child recovery experts, who are creating an image of M aged six.

K: Weíre going to America tomorrow and initially, weíre going to Washington to the NCMEC

EA: Circulating the photograph of, er, of a child, who was not quite four, two yearís later is not good enough.

When, we started this 10 yearís ago. The goal was to use technology, er, to keep these cases alive. To provide new hope for parents and new leads for law enforcement and we said at the time, wouldnít it be great if we could actually find one of these kids and we found 900 of them. Er, everyone of these 900 cases, the child had been missing at least two years. So, what weíve tried to do is to take your photos, er, as a guide. Young childrenís faces change very quickly. As you can see, she has her motherís jawline. She has her motherís mouth. Itís striking. She has her motherís dimples.

K: Thatís me, as well, isnít it? (referring to picture of her as a child)

EA: This is you, as well. Exactly.

K laughs

EA: But G, she has your nose.

G: The genes mix quite well. (Both laughing).

EA: They really do. They really do. I mean itís a remarkable example of the best of genetics. So, leaning heavily, on heredity, and using every tool we can find, we truly believe that this is what MM looks like today and we hope that somebody, that millions of somebodies will look at the picture, but, that somebody will be moved to reach out and say, I think I have information.

G: I glanced Itís a different child and that is really important. Itís not the four year old or nearly four year old little girl and itís hard, because, In our memory, we remember her the last day she was in Portugal and what she looked like, soÖ

K: Itís a very emotional thing, really, to see my daughter in a different way to how I remember her. Erm, so if Iím honest, initially, I, was quite upsetting and then I started to look at features and I thought, well, thatís definitely M and that bits M and, you know, yes, she is 2 yearís older.

EA: Despite the love and the care you that you put into raising her, at that age, M may not know sheís missing. M may have been told, well, now you are supposed to come with me. So, we hope that other children will look at this. Itís not inconceivable that sheís in a classroom somewhere. The goal here is to reach out to people around the world and say. Somebody knows something and if you do, call us.

Voice over: K&G now need to publicise this new image. The first step is to travel from Washington to Chicago for an interview on OWS, that will be broadcast in 144 countries.

G: Itís really important we get this image out, as far and as wide as possible. Because, ultimately, we donít know where M is and if she was moved out of Portugal quickly, she could be anywhere and thatís the main reason for doing O(W) get that image out there

K: Nervous, but, itís like anything weíve done, you know, weíre doing it for a reason and the reasonís to held find M so just get on with it.

G: I actually think thereís not much more else we can do right now.

K: I think weíve achieved a lot in the last few weeks and weíre really hoping that somebody who has been sitting there, knowing something, will suddenly feel the courage and compassion really to come forward and of course, weíve also released the age progression image of M, now age 6 and I think thatís important. Because thatís almost appealing to people, who may know M, whatever Mís called now

K: So I feel, weíve all worked really hard. I think what weíve done is positive and productive. I actually feel the chance of us finding M is higher now, itís more likely to yield a result and I actually feel a little excited, really, about what weíve just done so.

G: I think itís like, we want it out there, now. All the workís been done and itís all being co-ordinated round the anniversary. But we want it out and itís just, letís get moving.

K: We just need that one person, there might be more than one person, but one person to come forward and say Iíve seen that girl or I remember something from that night and that could unravel the whole thing.

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